If Mike Williams is on the board, should we take him? - Page 4

Red Dawg · 11-30-2004, 08:09 AM

I say yes, even though our defense is terrible. I would not pass up a chance at a possible super star on offense. If not him then I would take Rolle.

Ralphy Boy · 11-30-2004, 07:47 PM

I'd be happy with either DJ or Rolle and wouldn't bitch until whichever one we didn't get ended up being an all pro.

We actually had the right idea in 2003 when we added Barber, Holliday & McCleon in FA and used the draft for the future. Granted the players we added in both ended up not being as good as advertised, but we need to follow the pattern that we did before when we tried to fill our holes in FA. However we need to follow it up by picking the best defensive player available to add to the mix instead of an offensive player.

Right now our season is lost and we need to see what we have on both offense & defense and let the rookies and younger players get a chance to start to gain experience for next year. We need to see heavy play time from all of the second & third stringers now on both sides of the ball.

This is DV's last ever draft and I think he'll have more say than the last couple of years and I think he'll put more effort into it than he did last year when he thought his 13 & 3 team was so close.

This could be it for a lot of the coaches & staff in KC and they all need to bone up and do some serious homework, we can't afford for them to be wrong.

teedubya · 11-30-2004, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddy T

Williams is a bad ass. Rolle is a stud player. No way I take Johnson over Rolle. We have bitched to no end to have a great corner. Rolle has very good chance to be just that.

would you rather have Ray Lewis or Chump Bailey?

Deberg_1990 · 11-30-2004, 07:53 PM

Id rather have a stud linebacker or shut down corner. Those are harder to find than WR's. Those can be found in the 2nd and 3rd round. Although, ill admit, Mike Williams would be hard to pass on.

**Saulbadguy** · 11-30-2004, 07:54 PM

Cornerbacks are overrated now, since the refs are being bitches.

Deberg_1990 · 11-30-2004, 08:04 PM

Charles Woodson and Antre Rolle would look awesome in Chiefs uniforms.

**Rain Man** · 11-30-2004, 08:26 PM

Can a guy named Mike Williams really be a superstar in this league? Is his name to common to be recognizable in every household in America? Is it cool enough?

For example, there's no way that Joe Montana wasn't destined for greatness. Joe Montana is the best name in America. Priest Holmes is another great name, as is Dick Butkus and Bronko Nagurski and Johnny Unitas and Sid Luckman and Dan Marino.

You can also be a star with an average name, like Barry Sanders or Walter Payton or Tommy Nobis. I'm not sure that you can do it with a common name like Mike Williams, though. Does he have a middle name he can use?

Ralphy Boy · 11-30-2004, 08:27 PM

Currently we share a 3-8 record with Cleveland & Washington with San Fran drafting #1 & Miami #2, so we should be around the #5 pick overall.
Given that San Fran is likely to pick a QB & Miami either a QB or RB, we could have our choice of either DJ or Rolle. Both could be looking at Brees & I wouldn't be surprised if Warner got granted a release in NY.

Cleveland is going to have a new head coach who could be looking for a QB in the draft to build around. Their Oline isn't great either. Their LB's were pretty good before injury problems hit, but their offense has been less than spectacular as a whole.

Washington will most likely go offense as their D is pretty stout and they'd likely go WR or Oline, so either Edwards or Barron could go there.

So we should have our pick of the best defensive player available and I'd have to think that would be DJ.

suds79 · 11-30-2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddy T

I say yes, even though our defense is terrible. I would not pass up a chance at a possible super star on offense. If not him then I would take Rolle.

My own personal draft board:

1 - Antrel Rolle - You can find good LBs easier than you can a CB. Rolle is going to be great.
2 - Derrick Johnson - Best LB to come out in years.
3 - Mike Williams - I don't care about 40 times. That's so overrated. He's a huge playmaker with size. That's something we need. Tired of these short & slow WRs.

Chiefnj · 11-30-2004, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Derrick johnson is a one year wonder.

Are you reeruned? A one year wonder?

Hammock Parties · 11-30-2004, 09:59 PM

It depends on who is available on D.

If Derrick Johnson, Rolle and one of the top defensive ends is gone, I would have 0 problem with drafting Mike Williams. He would set up our passing offense for years.

Sure-Oz · 11-30-2004, 10:05 PM

Man the draft is a long ways away, i may actually have a reason to be excited this year though atleast, well until we blow the 1st round pick on an offensive tackle from South Western Bell.

sparkky · 11-30-2004, 10:08 PM

If DV, Priest, Shields and Roaf come back for one more year we could make a run with a easier schedule. Draft best available player but we HAVE to sign defensive cb, mlb and wr free agents for immediate impact even at the risk of cap hell. Maybe bring in Couch for qb #2 and qbotf.
We'll most likely screw up the draft picks anyway so I don't hold much hope we'll get any "impact" rookies.

Chiefnj · 11-30-2004, 10:08 PM

I'd probably take Johnson over Rolle. Johnson is regarded as THE best linebacker to come out of college in years. Rolle is a very good corner, but isn't described as THE best corner in years. He's the best (ranked anyway) this year, but not the best in several years as Johnson is.

If they are both gone when KC picks I'd be happy with Braylon and then Williams.

Sure-Oz · 11-30-2004, 10:10 PM

Doesn't dallas have a high profile CB from K-State that has yet to pan out???

I'd rather take my luck with Johnson.

suds79 · 11-30-2004, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Doesn't dallas have a high profile CB from K-State that has yet to pan out???

I'd rather take my luck with Johnson.

Newman - Real good rookie season, struggling in 2nd season. Give the guy a break. He might come back next year and tear it up.

As much as I love Newman, I'm pretty sure Rolle will be graded as a better player than Terrence.

And playing at Miami, the guy certainly has more experience playing against the best talent in the country. (Completely shut down Larry Fitzgerald last year)

But there really is no wrong anser here between Johnson & Rolle. Everybody's so afraid of Carl messing up another pick, that's why I'm saying we need to be in a position where it's a no brainer pick. This way, Carl can't mess it up.

If we're drafting anywhere from 3-6 and either Rolle or Johnson are there, you take them. That's a no brainer pick.

11-30-2004, 08:09 AM
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1442858	If Mike Williams is on the board, should we take him? I say yes, even though our defense is terrible. I would not pass up a chance at a possible super star on offense. If not him then I would take Rolle.
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11-30-2004, 07:47 PM	#46
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I'd be happy with either DJ or Rolle and wouldn't bitch until whichever one we didn't get ended up being an all pro. We actually had the right idea in 2003 when we added Barber, Holliday & McCleon in FA and used the draft for the future. Granted the players we added in both ended up not being as good as advertised, but we need to follow the pattern that we did before when we tried to fill our holes in FA. However we need to follow it up by picking the best defensive player available to add to the mix instead of an offensive player. Right now our season is lost and we need to see what we have on both offense & defense and let the rookies and younger players get a chance to start to gain experience for next year. We need to see heavy play time from all of the second & third stringers now on both sides of the ball. This is DV's last ever draft and I think he'll have more say than the last couple of years and I think he'll put more effort into it than he did last year when he thought his 13 & 3 team was so close. This could be it for a lot of the coaches & staff in KC and they all need to bone up and do some serious homework, we can't afford for them to be wrong.
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11-30-2004, 07:53 PM	#48
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $314454	Id rather have a stud linebacker or shut down corner. Those are harder to find than WR's. Those can be found in the 2nd and 3rd round. Although, ill admit, Mike Williams would be hard to pass on.
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Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	Cornerbacks are overrated now, since the refs are being bitches.
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $314454	Charles Woodson and Antre Rolle would look awesome in Chiefs uniforms.
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11-30-2004, 08:26 PM	#51
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-472449 VARSITY	Can a guy named Mike Williams really be a superstar in this league? Is his name to common to be recognizable in every household in America? Is it cool enough? For example, there's no way that Joe Montana wasn't destined for greatness. Joe Montana is the best name in America. Priest Holmes is another great name, as is Dick Butkus and Bronko Nagurski and Johnny Unitas and Sid Luckman and Dan Marino. You can also be a star with an average name, like Barry Sanders or Walter Payton or Tommy Nobis. I'm not sure that you can do it with a common name like Mike Williams, though. Does he have a middle name he can use? __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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11-30-2004, 08:27 PM	#52
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Currently we share a 3-8 record with Cleveland & Washington with San Fran drafting #1 & Miami #2, so we should be around the #5 pick overall. Given that San Fran is likely to pick a QB & Miami either a QB or RB, we could have our choice of either DJ or Rolle. Both could be looking at Brees & I wouldn't be surprised if Warner got granted a release in NY. Cleveland is going to have a new head coach who could be looking for a QB in the draft to build around. Their Oline isn't great either. Their LB's were pretty good before injury problems hit, but their offense has been less than spectacular as a whole. Washington will most likely go offense as their D is pretty stout and they'd likely go WR or Oline, so either Edwards or Barron could go there. So we should have our pick of the best defensive player available and I'd have to think that would be DJ.
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11-30-2004, 09:59 PM	#55
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1010478	It depends on who is available on D. If Derrick Johnson, Rolle and one of the top defensive ends is gone, I would have 0 problem with drafting Mike Williams. He would set up our passing offense for years. __________________ Chiefs game films
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11-30-2004, 10:08 PM	#57
sparkky Veteran Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10004900	If DV, Priest, Shields and Roaf come back for one more year we could make a run with a easier schedule. Draft best available player but we HAVE to sign defensive cb, mlb and wr free agents for immediate impact even at the risk of cap hell. Maybe bring in Couch for qb #2 and qbotf. We'll most likely screw up the draft picks anyway so I don't hold much hope we'll get any "impact" rookies.
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11-30-2004, 10:08 PM	#58
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	I'd probably take Johnson over Rolle. Johnson is regarded as THE best linebacker to come out of college in years. Rolle is a very good corner, but isn't described as THE best corner in years. He's the best (ranked anyway) this year, but not the best in several years as Johnson is. If they are both gone when KC picks I'd be happy with Braylon and then Williams.
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