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tk13 · 01-18-2005, 02:28 AM

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Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying

By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star

Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff.

Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team.

Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season.

“The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.”

Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago.

The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams.

Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players.

Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame.

“Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No.

“If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.”

Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers.

The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach.

Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.

teedubya · 01-18-2005, 03:42 AM

yeah but if we traded our defense for theirs, we would be complaining about how old our defense is.

bah dum- pah....ching

tk13 · 01-18-2005, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Wow.. DV looks really, really young.

Obvious I know...

Yeah, believe it or not if you look up the stats on that team you'd see that they were the #1 defense in the league, a couple years running too... he always had better defensive teams, until he came here of course.

tk13 · 01-18-2005, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

yeah but if we traded our defense for theirs, we would be complaining about how old our defense is.

bah dum- pah....ching

Har har. Hopefully he's not here all week folks.

Hammock Parties · 01-18-2005, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Dude, they're playing an undrafted rookie and a WR as their 2nd corner and nickel.

I know. They're talented guys. And that Eugene Wilson is pretty good too.

01-18-2005, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GoatCheese

I know. They're talented guys. And that Eugene Wilson is pretty good too.

We put either one of them in our backfield and you're BEGGING for Bartee and McCleon back.

It's not the DB's.

Hammock Parties · 01-18-2005, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

We put either one of them in our backfield and you're BEGGING for Bartee and McCleon back.

It's not the DB's.

I saw Manning get protection numerous times the other night. He stood in the pocket for five, six, seven seconds...no one was open.

01-18-2005, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GoatCheese

I saw Manning get protection numerous times the other night. He stood in the pocket for five, six, seven seconds...no one was open.

Do you seriously believe an undrafted rookie and a WR can cover as well as Bartee? Nothing on that entire Patriot team relies exclusively on individual talent.

MichaelH · 01-18-2005, 05:06 AM

After reading every post in this thread, there's 10 minutes I'll really miss, I've decided this.I think the defensive failures are a combination of players and coaching. Every aspect of that defense could and should be upgraded, with the defensive backs and linebackers taking priority. I also think there's a lack of fire and emotion on the field. If there is emotion, it's gentle and loving emotion, not "I'm going to rip your head off and shit down your throat" emotion. I used to really admire and respect the head coach, now I can't wait for him to retire. The only problem is once that happens, the team as we know will probably be dismantled and yet another rebuilding will occur.

01-18-2005, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelH

After reading every post in this thread, there's 10 minutes I'll really miss, I've decided this.I think the defensive failures are a combination of players and coaching. Every aspect of that defense could and should be upgraded, with the defensive backs and linebackers taking priority. I also think there's a lack of fire and emotion on the field. If there is emotion, it's gentle and loving emotion, not "I'm going to rip your head off and shit down your throat" emotion. I used to really admire and respect the head coach, now I can't wait for him to retire. The only problem is once that happens, the team as we know will probably be dismantled and yet another rebuilding will occur.

Yup. More importantly, no leadership on that side of the ball. Erica Hicks is supposedly the defensive captain. I've heard/seen him squeak up twice in 7 years, once when begging off training camp for his wife to experience a complicated childbirth and the other time to cuss a female reporter, Rhonda Moss. Yeah, he's a great leader. Is it any wonder our defense hasn't made a play since 1998?

**The Bad Guy** · 01-18-2005, 07:32 AM

Start the god damn petition for this old bag to leave and never come the F back.

So basically Gunita, who has always sucked monkey balls, gets a pass because he won the 1999 Super Bowl with Vermeil?

Greg Robinson won 2 SBs with the Broncos and Shanahan threw him under the bus when he started to suck.

I love it. Does he blame the coaches if a player breaks down fundamentally and blows a coverage? I will say it again, how do we expect these players and coachs to be held accountable for their actions when the head coach wants to make excuses and have a no accountability policy?

Vermeil is the WORST thing that could of happened to this organization.

If I was Gunther, I would tell him to shove his 1999 ring up his ass. He won it because he had an easy schedule - he's basically said that every time he cries about how hard his schedule is.

tomahawk kid · 01-18-2005, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Start the god damn petition for this old bag to leave and never come the F back.

So basically Gunita, who has always sucked monkey balls, gets a pass because he won the 1999 Super Bowl with Vermeil?

Greg Robinson won 2 SBs with the Broncos and Shanahan threw him under the bus when he started to suck.

I love it. Does he blame the coaches if a player breaks down fundamentally and blows a coverage? I will say it again, how do we expect these players and coachs to be held accountable for their actions when the head coach wants to make excuses and have a no accountability policy?

Vermeil is the WORST thing that could of happened to this organization.

If I was Gunther, I would tell him to shove his 1999 ring up his ass. He won it because he had an easy schedule - he's basically said that every time he cries about how hard his schedule is.

Amen.

**Dartgod** · 01-18-2005, 07:38 AM

I was very disappointed to hear this on the news this morning. My wife and I are this close >< to saying FU to Carl and Dick and not renew our season tickets.

old_geezer · 01-18-2005, 07:47 AM

I rarely post anymore. As an avid follower of the Chiefs since my high school days in the early 60's, I found this season and this coaching staff to just seemingly suck all of the joy and expectations out of my body.

If Vermeil says it's not the coach's fault then why did we stand pat and sign all the underachievers to new contracts last year? Vermeil is senile and can't buy a clue. I, too, am sick of him making excuses every time for this pathetic defense. The Chiefs will remain a one-demensional mediocre team as long as this "Dick" is allowed to remain head coach.

I seriously doubt we make much of a splash in the free agent market, but even one or two players aren't enough for this grotesque abortion that calls itself an NFL defense.

I feel like we have a one year window left for a miracle to happen; then the house-cleaning starts again. Thanks Dick............for nothing. You did wonders for the offense, but oh my God, what it cost the defense. At least let your DC pick the coaches he wants to work with. I will happily kiss your @ss goodby.

NewChief · 01-18-2005, 08:03 AM

Interesting. I was sure that Gunther and CP had decided to make some staffing changes. I'll be curious to see if DV truly has the final word on this one.

Ralphy Boy · 01-18-2005, 08:26 AM

None of this should be surprising to anyone, as a functioning team we have a very lopsided organization and that entire organization hasn't proven to know anything about defense the last few years.

Many of us have said that having even a middle of the pack defense would get us deep into the playoffs and I would consider only the AFC & NFC Championship games to mean "deep". A look back over the last 4 years to reflect DV's tenure compared to teams in this years lineup for the Championship games, I don't think that a middle of the pack D will cut it. DV needs to wake up and realize that serious changes are needed and his decision to keep his coaches coupled with Carl's comments the other night about not cutting vets because of contract accelerations doesn't bode well for this season at all.

The Defensive rankings of the 4 teams in the Championship games compared to ours.
Steelers #1 in yards, #2 in rushing, #4 in passing, #1 in scoring
Eagles # 10 in yards, #16 in rushing, #12 in passing, #2 in scoring tied
Falcons #14 in yards, #8 in rushing, #22 in passing, #14 in scoring
Patriots # 9 in yards, #6 in rushing, #17 in passing, #2 in scoring tied
KC # 31 in yards, #12 in rushing, #32 in passing, #29 in scoring

We have a huge mountain to climb and to say that I don't think this offseasons changes or additions will be enough to get us there is an understatement.

our Offense compared to those teams:
Steelers #16 in yards, #2 rushing, #28 passing, #11 in scoring
Eagles #9 in yards, #24 rushing, #7 passing, #8 in scoring
Falcons #20 in yards, #1 rushing, #30 passing, #16 in scoring
Patriots #7 in yards, #7 rushing, #11 passing, #4 in scoring
KC #1 in yards, #5 rushing, #4 passing, #2 in scoring

A lot of good being a good offense does us, or Indy, Minnesota, Green Bay, St Louis, Denver or Seattle. All are ranked in the top 10 in offensive yards and just like us having a good O doesn't mean squat.

DV of all people should know better than anyone that defense is key because it was one of the biggest reasons he got his ring.

Looking at the teams still in it, the defense is what has got them this far, but their drafts have been fairly well balanced on both sides of the ball and each team had players who haven't performed up to expectation, whether it was just from being a bust or injury or whatever.
Steelers
2001 - Casey Hampton DT, Kendrell Bell LB
2002 - Kendall Simmons OG, Antwaan Randle El WR
2003 - Troy Polamalu S, Alonzo Jackson DE
2004 - Ben Roethlisberger QB, Ricardo Colclough CB
4 defensive picks in the first 2 rounds & 3 offensive
Not sure that Jackson has made any impact, but other than that pretty good.
Hampton was a hella starter til injury same for Bell & Simmons. Add the 3 of them plus BR, & Polamalu & that is 5 starters.

Eagles
2001 - Freddie Mitchell WR, Quinton Caver LB
2002 - Lito Sheppard CB, Michael Lewis S
2003 - Jerome McDougle DE, LJ Smith TE
2004 - Shawn Andrews OT, no 2nd
4 defensive picks in the first 2 & 3 offensive
Caver was obviously a bust there & McDougle hasn't done jack considering they traded up to get him. Then again playing behind Kearse...
Mitchell only became a starter by default of TO and Andrews got hurt before the season really got started
Lewis, Sheppard are the only 2 to have helped this year.

Falcons
2001 - Vick QB, Alge Crumpler TE
2002 - TJ Duckett RB, Will Overstreet DE
2003 - no 1st, Bryan Scott CB
2004 - DeAngelo Hall CB, Michael Jenkins WR
4 offensive picks & 3 defensive
Duckett hasn't lived up to the hype, but fits well in the offense, Overstreet has been hurt.
Vick, Crumpler, Scott & Hall are starters

Patriots
2001 - Richard Seymour DT, Matt Light OG
2002 - Daniel Graham TE, Deion Branch WR
2003 - Ty Warren DT, Eugene Wilson CB, Bethel Johnson WR
2004 - Vince Wilfork DT, Ben Watson TE, Marquise Hill DE
5 defensive picks & 5 offensive
Seymour, Light, Graham, Branch, Warren & Wilson are starters

Chiefs
2001 - Trade Trent Green QB, Trade DV
2002 - Ryans Sims DT, Eddie Freeman DT
2003 - Larry Johnson RB, Kawika Mitchell LB
2004 - no 1st, Junior Siavii DT, Kris Wilson TE
4 defensive picks & 2 offensive plus the 2 traded picks to pick up Green and the offensive minded DV.
Green is a starter but when you trade a 1st for a vet, he'd better be.
Mitchell & Sims are the only drafted starters.

It's obviously easy to look at the stats & amount of starters drafted in the first 2 rounds and say that New England is the best run organization, but point blank they've gotten 6 starters in 4 drafts. It's hard to compare that to our 2 starters because you have to consider that DV & Green were traded for also but it just goes to show that we are far from being worthy of a ring.

Like most of, a job change is inspiring and motivates you to give it your all. To say that Guinta & others can't be a good coach is probably shortsighted, but to say that they can't be a good coach here is probably very true. They've become complacent under DV because they know he doesn't hold them accountable so they aren't motivated to do a good job and that may not necessarily be obvious to DV. However a new staff that is just coming together is generally more excited about building something together.

01-18-2005, 02:28 AM
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1657500	Teicher: No changes in defensive coaching staff http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/10668159.htm Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff. Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team. Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season. “The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.” Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago. The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams. Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players. Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame. “Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No. “If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.” Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers. The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach. Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.
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teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9013042	yeah but if we traded our defense for theirs, we would be complaining about how old our defense is. bah dum- pah....ching
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01-18-2005, 05:06 AM	#53
MichaelH Go Chiefs! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gastonia, North Carolina Casino cash: $9192006	After reading every post in this thread, there's 10 minutes I'll really miss, I've decided this.I think the defensive failures are a combination of players and coaching. Every aspect of that defense could and should be upgraded, with the defensive backs and linebackers taking priority. I also think there's a lack of fire and emotion on the field. If there is emotion, it's gentle and loving emotion, not "I'm going to rip your head off and shit down your throat" emotion. I used to really admire and respect the head coach, now I can't wait for him to retire. The only problem is once that happens, the team as we know will probably be dismantled and yet another rebuilding will occur.
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01-18-2005, 07:32 AM	#55
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	Start the god damn petition for this old bag to leave and never come the F back. So basically Gunita, who has always sucked monkey balls, gets a pass because he won the 1999 Super Bowl with Vermeil? Greg Robinson won 2 SBs with the Broncos and Shanahan threw him under the bus when he started to suck. I love it. Does he blame the coaches if a player breaks down fundamentally and blows a coverage? I will say it again, how do we expect these players and coachs to be held accountable for their actions when the head coach wants to make excuses and have a no accountability policy? Vermeil is the WORST thing that could of happened to this organization. If I was Gunther, I would tell him to shove his 1999 ring up his ass. He won it because he had an easy schedule - he's basically said that every time he cries about how hard his schedule is. __________________
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01-18-2005, 07:38 AM	#57
Dartgod Wasted away again... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: in Margaritaville Casino cash: $3820000	I was very disappointed to hear this on the news this morning. My wife and I are this close >< to saying FU to Carl and Dick and not renew our season tickets. __________________ If you shed a tear for me, please make it a tear of joy. -Joe Tracy (Nzoner) . .
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01-18-2005, 07:47 AM	#58
old_geezer bite me Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Windsor, Mo. Casino cash: $-2175262	I rarely post anymore. As an avid follower of the Chiefs since my high school days in the early 60's, I found this season and this coaching staff to just seemingly suck all of the joy and expectations out of my body. If Vermeil says it's not the coach's fault then why did we stand pat and sign all the underachievers to new contracts last year? Vermeil is senile and can't buy a clue. I, too, am sick of him making excuses every time for this pathetic defense. The Chiefs will remain a one-demensional mediocre team as long as this "Dick" is allowed to remain head coach. I seriously doubt we make much of a splash in the free agent market, but even one or two players aren't enough for this grotesque abortion that calls itself an NFL defense. I feel like we have a one year window left for a miracle to happen; then the house-cleaning starts again. Thanks Dick............for nothing. You did wonders for the offense, but oh my God, what it cost the defense. At least let your DC pick the coaches he wants to work with. I will happily kiss your @ss goodby. __________________ If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can't see Chuck Norris you may be only seconds away from death.
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01-18-2005, 08:03 AM	#59
NewChief In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR Casino cash: $7290204	Interesting. I was sure that Gunther and CP had decided to make some staffing changes. I'll be curious to see if DV truly has the final word on this one. __________________ In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. - H. L. Mencken
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01-18-2005, 08:26 AM	#60
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	None of this should be surprising to anyone, as a functioning team we have a very lopsided organization and that entire organization hasn't proven to know anything about defense the last few years. Many of us have said that having even a middle of the pack defense would get us deep into the playoffs and I would consider only the AFC & NFC Championship games to mean "deep". A look back over the last 4 years to reflect DV's tenure compared to teams in this years lineup for the Championship games, I don't think that a middle of the pack D will cut it. DV needs to wake up and realize that serious changes are needed and his decision to keep his coaches coupled with Carl's comments the other night about not cutting vets because of contract accelerations doesn't bode well for this season at all. The Defensive rankings of the 4 teams in the Championship games compared to ours. Steelers #1 in yards, #2 in rushing, #4 in passing, #1 in scoring Eagles # 10 in yards, #16 in rushing, #12 in passing, #2 in scoring tied Falcons #14 in yards, #8 in rushing, #22 in passing, #14 in scoring Patriots # 9 in yards, #6 in rushing, #17 in passing, #2 in scoring tied KC # 31 in yards, #12 in rushing, #32 in passing, #29 in scoring We have a huge mountain to climb and to say that I don't think this offseasons changes or additions will be enough to get us there is an understatement. our Offense compared to those teams: Steelers #16 in yards, #2 rushing, #28 passing, #11 in scoring Eagles #9 in yards, #24 rushing, #7 passing, #8 in scoring Falcons #20 in yards, #1 rushing, #30 passing, #16 in scoring Patriots #7 in yards, #7 rushing, #11 passing, #4 in scoring KC #1 in yards, #5 rushing, #4 passing, #2 in scoring A lot of good being a good offense does us, or Indy, Minnesota, Green Bay, St Louis, Denver or Seattle. All are ranked in the top 10 in offensive yards and just like us having a good O doesn't mean squat. DV of all people should know better than anyone that defense is key because it was one of the biggest reasons he got his ring. Looking at the teams still in it, the defense is what has got them this far, but their drafts have been fairly well balanced on both sides of the ball and each team had players who haven't performed up to expectation, whether it was just from being a bust or injury or whatever. Steelers 2001 - Casey Hampton DT, Kendrell Bell LB 2002 - Kendall Simmons OG, Antwaan Randle El WR 2003 - Troy Polamalu S, Alonzo Jackson DE 2004 - Ben Roethlisberger QB, Ricardo Colclough CB 4 defensive picks in the first 2 rounds & 3 offensive Not sure that Jackson has made any impact, but other than that pretty good. Hampton was a hella starter til injury same for Bell & Simmons. Add the 3 of them plus BR, & Polamalu & that is 5 starters. Eagles 2001 - Freddie Mitchell WR, Quinton Caver LB 2002 - Lito Sheppard CB, Michael Lewis S 2003 - Jerome McDougle DE, LJ Smith TE 2004 - Shawn Andrews OT, no 2nd 4 defensive picks in the first 2 & 3 offensive Caver was obviously a bust there & McDougle hasn't done jack considering they traded up to get him. Then again playing behind Kearse... Mitchell only became a starter by default of TO and Andrews got hurt before the season really got started Lewis, Sheppard are the only 2 to have helped this year. Falcons 2001 - Vick QB, Alge Crumpler TE 2002 - TJ Duckett RB, Will Overstreet DE 2003 - no 1st, Bryan Scott CB 2004 - DeAngelo Hall CB, Michael Jenkins WR 4 offensive picks & 3 defensive Duckett hasn't lived up to the hype, but fits well in the offense, Overstreet has been hurt. Vick, Crumpler, Scott & Hall are starters Patriots 2001 - Richard Seymour DT, Matt Light OG 2002 - Daniel Graham TE, Deion Branch WR 2003 - Ty Warren DT, Eugene Wilson CB, Bethel Johnson WR 2004 - Vince Wilfork DT, Ben Watson TE, Marquise Hill DE 5 defensive picks & 5 offensive Seymour, Light, Graham, Branch, Warren & Wilson are starters Chiefs 2001 - Trade Trent Green QB, Trade DV 2002 - Ryans Sims DT, Eddie Freeman DT 2003 - Larry Johnson RB, Kawika Mitchell LB 2004 - no 1st, Junior Siavii DT, Kris Wilson TE 4 defensive picks & 2 offensive plus the 2 traded picks to pick up Green and the offensive minded DV. Green is a starter but when you trade a 1st for a vet, he'd better be. Mitchell & Sims are the only drafted starters. It's obviously easy to look at the stats & amount of starters drafted in the first 2 rounds and say that New England is the best run organization, but point blank they've gotten 6 starters in 4 drafts. It's hard to compare that to our 2 starters because you have to consider that DV & Green were traded for also but it just goes to show that we are far from being worthy of a ring. Like most of, a job change is inspiring and motivates you to give it your all. To say that Guinta & others can't be a good coach is probably shortsighted, but to say that they can't be a good coach here is probably very true. They've become complacent under DV because they know he doesn't hold them accountable so they aren't motivated to do a good job and that may not necessarily be obvious to DV. However a new staff that is just coming together is generally more excited about building something together.
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