Whitlock: Herm covering Carl's gigantic blunder - Page 4

tk13 · 01-02-2007, 02:43 AM

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Herm covering Carl’s goof
JASON WHITLOCK
Kansas City Star

Well, Chiefs fans finally got their you-play-to-win-the-game moment from Herm Edwards, who always preaches with a purpose.

Less than 24 hours after qualifying for the playoffs, Edwards opened his New Year’s Day news conference ranting about how his Chiefs didn’t luck into or back into the playoffs.

“Let’s not get this thing twisted and think we backed into this deal,” Edwards preached with the necessary emotion to catch the eye of ESPN producers. “We didn’t lose, we won. Every team that played this weekend played at home and had an opportunity to get into the playoffs just like us. We just happened to win. What’s wrong with that? So, let’s not get it twisted and say, ‘Well, they’re lucky.’ We didn’t get lucky. We won.”

Why the unprovoked rant? Edwards said he wanted to transfer his attitude to his players and he could sense that some people thought the Chiefs were lucky.

“I’m not irritated,” Edwards said. “I’m just making a point. It’s playoff time now. I’m in a different mode, I think a real different mode all of a sudden. I’m in a different frame of mind.”

Hmm. That’s one way to look at it. There’s also another way to view Herm’s tirade.

Maybe Herm thought it was important to convince his players, the local and national media and Kansas City football fans that the Chiefs weren’t lucky because he knows Carl Peterson sent the clear message he didn’t think the Chiefs would qualify for postseason play when he placed Jason Dunn and Kyle Turley on injured reserve before the Jacksonville game.

Marinate on that for a moment.

The Chiefs won’t have the services of one of the league’s top run-blocking tight ends in a playoff game that likely will hinge on KC’s ability to control the clock with Larry Johnson.

Peterson, in my opinion, made a gigantic tactical error.

He placed Dunn, Turley and Rich Scanlon on injured reserve so the Chiefs could elevate practice-squaders Casey Printers, Chris Hannon and William Kershaw to the 53-man roster. By placing Printers, Hannon and Kershaw on the final 53-man roster it protects the Chiefs from an opposing team poaching one of the three players from KC’s practice squad this offseason.

Teams are justifiably paranoid about losing their practice-squad players. A couple of years ago, the Chiefs cut guard Ryan Lilja with the hopes they could place him on their practice squad. The Colts scooped up Lilja, and he’s been a regular starter in Indy for two years.

The Chiefs said they placed Dunn on IR because doctors won’t clear him to play now that they miraculously discovered he has a herniated disk in his back in week 16.

Dunn told me Monday that he’s played with the injury for six weeks. When he entered Arrowhead Stadium on Monday for a brief team meeting, Dunn told me he hoped the Chiefs could reverse the decision. When Dunn left Arrowhead, he told me that assistant general manager Denny Thum told him that the Chiefs regretted placing Dunn on IR and they wouldn’t have done it if they thought they were going to qualify for the playoffs.

Dunn was visibly disappointed.

“I could play four more games,” said Dunn, who admitted he’ll undergo surgery this offseason. “I’ve been playing with it.”

Dunn’s absence Saturday will place more pressure on Tony Gonzalez and Kris Wilson. Gonzalez will have more blocking responsibility.

Wilson will pull double duty between fullback and tight end. Linemen John Welbourn and Chris Bober will get some time at tight end.

Dunn’s absence hamstrings the offensive coaching staff. Dunn has never been a big part of KC’s passing game, but he’s always been a threat in KC’s pass offense. And blocking on the edge against outside linebackers and working up to safeties requires a combination of strength and athletic ability that few offensive linemen possess.

Dunn’s absence is big. But that probably won’t get talked about on ESPN this week because Herm created a nice little distraction. Herm is smart, and he’s a team player. He fell on Carl Peterson’s grenade.

htismaqe · 01-03-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

IF being the Key word there.....

There's no "if" about it.

Carl would be blasted for leaving these guys unprotected, regardless of the outcome.

Whitlock dedicated more than one article to Ryan Lilja.

There's no way for Carl to make the "right" move here.

BigChiefFan · 01-03-2007, 10:05 AM

The NFL should allow practice squad players to remain with a team. New rules should be considered.
Something along the lines of the team gets a first refusal. Basically, a notification that said player is being considered, please make a roster move or lose the player. That allows a team the option of keeping the player or not. If the team allows the player to walk, they could get a 6th or 7th rounder compensatory pick. Just a thought.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-13-2007, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

There's no "if" about it.

Carl would be blasted for leaving these guys unprotected, regardless of the outcome.

Whitlock dedicated more than one article to Ryan Lilja.

There's no way for Carl to make the "right" move here.

Whitlock should have SLAMMED the entire organization for the Ryan Lilja AND the Samkon Gado affairs for weeks on end. Freakin' Dick Vermeil is such an offensive "genius" that not only does he allow Lilja & Gado to get away, he actually CUTS them, hoping to re-sign them later.

Out of all the ridiculous decisions that DV made during his tenure in KC, those two are absolutely unforgiveable. And they've set the organization back.

Which offensive lineman did he develop? Which running backs? Who did Vermeil develop, period? Besides the $15 million in his bank account.

He's a Dick.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-13-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Whitlock should have SLAMMED the entire organization for the Ryan Lilja AND the Samkon Gado affairs for weeks on end. Freakin' Dick Vermeil is such an offensive "genius" that not only does he allow Lilja & Gado to get away, he actually CUTS them, hoping to re-sign them later.

Out of all the ridiculous decisions that DV made during his tenure in KC, those two are absolutely unforgiveable. And they've set the organization back.

Which offensive lineman did he develop? Which running backs? Who did Vermeil develop, period? Besides the $15 million in his bank account.

He's a Dick.

Dipshit. Ever hear of Brian Waters or John Tait? Casey Wiegmann was a career backup when he came here. The Lilja thing sucks, but you can't expect the Chiefs to get it right 100% of the time. Eddie Kennison was a career nothing before he came here and got taken up off the scrap heap. There's also nothing that guarantees that Lilja is going to be better than Black or Wellbourne at Guard.

Furthermore, if you are going to take the Chiefs to task for poor personnel decisions, it starts with two moves: 1) Drafting Sims over Henderson, and 2) Trading Down to take Siavii instead of Olshansky.

Discuss Thrower · 01-13-2007, 01:26 AM

My $0.02.... The NFL needs increase roster size to at least 60, and have no restrictions on how many to dress out.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-13-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

Dipshit. Ever hear of Brian Waters or John Tait? Casey Wiegmann was a career backup when he came here. The Lilja thing sucks, but you can't expect the Chiefs to get it right 100% of the time. Eddie Kennison was a career nothing before he came here and got taken up off the scrap heap. There's also nothing that guarantees that Lilja is going to be better than Black or Wellbourne at Guard.

Furthermore, if you are going to take the Chiefs to task for poor personnel decisions, it starts with two moves: 1) Drafting Sims over Henderson, and 2) Trading Down to take Siavii instead of Olshansky.

I'm a dipshit? Alright, Jackass. So you'd advocate keeping Ryan Lilja over Jeremy Parquet? How about over Allan Reese? Montique Sharp? Lyle West? Donald Willis?

Vermeil was supposed to be some sort of genius, but he couldn't see talent right before his eyes. So you're gonna "guarantee" that Darius Johnson and Fred Jones were more deserving of a roster spot than Ryan Lilja?

You're a freakin' moron.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-13-2007, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

Dipshit. Ever hear of Brian Waters or John Tait? Casey Wiegmann was a career backup when he came here. The Lilja thing sucks, but you can't expect the Chiefs to get it right 100% of the time. Eddie Kennison was a career nothing before he came here and got taken up off the scrap heap. There's also nothing that guarantees that Lilja is going to be better than Black or Wellbourne at Guard.

Furthermore, if you are going to take the Chiefs to task for poor personnel decisions, it starts with two moves: 1) Drafting Sims over Henderson, and 2) Trading Down to take Siavii instead of Olshansky.

Oh and by the way, douche nozzle, Olhansky was taken BEFORE Siavii. So please explain to me how the Chiefs "missed out".

Moron.

crazycoffey · 01-13-2007, 01:47 AM

I got some buttery popcorn

**Rausch** · 01-13-2007, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I got some buttery popcorn

Is that a seggs-yall reference?...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-13-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh and by the way, douche nozzle, Olhansky was taken BEFORE Siavii. So please explain to me how the Chiefs "missed out".

Moron.

You dumb c*nt.

The Chiefs traded down from the 1st to the 2nd that year. With the Chiefs pick, the Lions took Kevin Jones late in the first. By the time the Chiefs drafted early in the 2nd the Chargers had already spent their pick #1 overall in the 2nd round, on Olshanksy.

I think your head may be rammed so far and so perfectly up your ass that it has created the only perfect vacuum on planet earth.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-13-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

You dumb c*nt.

The Chiefs traded down from the 1st to the 2nd that year. With the Chiefs pick, the Lions took Kevin Jones late in the first. By the time the Chiefs drafted early in the 2nd the Chargers had already spent their pick #1 overall in the 2nd round, on Olshanksy.

I think your head may be rammed so far and so perfectly up your ass that it has created the only perfect vacuum on planet earth.

So, you're making the point that if the Chiefs didn't trade down and the Chargers didn't trade down, the Chiefs somehow could have had Ohlanksy?

Go back to school, dumbass. I feel sorry for your students.

**2112** · 01-13-2007, 01:56 AM

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-13-2007, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm a dipshit? Alright, Jackass. So you'd advocate keeping Ryan Lilja over Jeremy Parquet? How about over Allan Reese? Montique Sharp? Lyle West? Donald Willis?

Vermeil was supposed to be some sort of genius, but he couldn't see talent right before his eyes. So you're gonna "guarantee" that Darius Johnson and Fred Jones were more deserving of a roster spot than Ryan Lilja?

You're a freakin' moron.

Every team is going to have one or two players that they let go that end up making it somewhere else. That's just how it works.

Waters--Undrafted, cut in Dallas as a TE/FB
Wiegmann--Backup Center we took from the Bears, IIRC

Look at Vonnie Holiday---decent in GB, worthless here, good in Miami. Is that Vermeil's fault? No...it's Holiday's. You can't hit 1.000 as a talent evaluator. Hell, the Patriots have had their fair share of fuckups...like trading a 5th rounder to the Raiders for nothing, drafting guys like PK Sam, picking up Mike Cloud, Monty Beisel, Eric Warfield...and they have 3 rings this decade.

Your opinion is completely uninformed, you worthless, mouth breathing sack of monkey shit.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-13-2007, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

Every team is going to have one or two players that they let go that end up making it somewhere else. That's just how it works.

Waters--Undrafted, cut in Dallas as a TE/FB
Wiegmann--Backup Center we took from the Bears, IIRC

Look at Vonnie Holiday---decent in GB, worthless here, good in Miami. Is that Vermeil's fault? No...it's Holiday's. You can't hit 1.000 as a talent evaluator. Hell, the Patriots have had their fair share of fuckups...like trading a 5th rounder to the Raiders for nothing, drafting guys like PK Sam, picking up Mike Cloud, Monty Beisel, Eric Warfield...and they have 3 rings this decade.

Your opinion is completely uninformed, you worthless, mouth breathing sack of monkey shit.

So your point is that while the Chiefs made a major mistake with Lilja and Gado, "THAT'S OKAAAAAYYY". EVERYBODY makes mistakes. Oh, poor, silly Chiefs!

You're a freakin' joke. Go back to hitting on 18 year-olds in the common. But I guess that's not working either because you're on the internet at 2am.

LOSER.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-13-2007, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you're making the point that if the Chiefs didn't trade down and the Chargers didn't trade down, the Chiefs somehow could have had Ohlanksy?

Go back to school, dumbass. I feel sorry for your students.

Feel sorry for this, you dumb motherfucker.

Per Wiki:

30 Detroit Lions (from Kansas City) Kevin Jones Running back Virginia Tech
31 San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina) Rashaun Woods Wide receiver Oklahoma State
32 New England Patriots Benjamin Watson Tight end Georgia

[edit] Round two

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
33 Arizona Cardinals Karlos Dansby Linebacker Auburn
34 New York Giants Chris Snee Offensive Tackle Boston College
35 San Diego Chargers Igor Olshansky Defensive Tackle Oregon
36 Kansas City Chiefs (from Detroit) Junior Siavii Defensive Tackle Oregon

Who in the blue fuck did you think we were going to draft had we just stood pat? The answer is Olshansky...we thought we could get him at 36, but Smith beat Carl to the punch, much the same way that I'm beaitng you, or that your mailman pounds your wife's roast beef curtains.

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