This Bowe thing... - Page 4

HonestChieffan · 08-05-2007, 07:49 AM

Lets face it, there is something badly wrong when a skills position player is not in camp working with a brand new QB. Somewhere these athletes are getting some bad bad advice that can and could impact their entire career.

I figure we wasted the pick at this point. No way will he even come close to adding much value to this tream this season. He has a major screup going on cause had he showed up...and if hes any good...and if croyle is half waht we hope....we would have seen some passing this season.

Now we have LJ who is a head case, old WR's or Young ones who cannot catch...The Defence would have to hold opponants to 3 pts agame for us to have a prayer.

splatbass · 08-05-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Now we have LJ who is a head case, old WR's or Young ones who cannot catch...The Defense would have to hold opponants to 3 pts agame for us to have a prayer.

Wow, I had no idea that Bowe is so good that the team has no chance to win without him. We might as well just give up, shut down training camp and call the season off.

**Easy 6** · 08-05-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

This thread is funny.......I'm sure if you were in his spot you'd try to get as much as you possibly could too...

No, thats not true...i bet a good many of us would feel that a good start, a crucial good start to our careers, is more important than a couple extra mill.

Its not just Joe Fan that feels that way either, we've all seen interviews & read articles about veterans that feel rookies have gotten WAY out of line with their demands.

In the real world, we have to work FIRST...then get paid.

Chief Wiggum · 08-05-2007, 11:02 AM

Having gone through contract negotiations myself recently, I'm sympathetic to Bowe trying to get all the money he can - that's capitalism. However, I think his agent is a douche and the thing that drives me nuts is we all know roughly what the slot is going to pay. With whatever minor wiggle room there is to negotiate, why don't they just put that money in performance incentives?

FAX · 08-05-2007, 11:02 AM

Bowe haters. Boo.

The only thing "bust" about Bowe is the statue he's going to have in the Hall.

Now, if we can just get him in a game.

FAX

Mecca · 08-05-2007, 11:06 AM

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No, thats not true...i bet a good many of us would feel that a good start, a crucial good start to our careers, is more important than a couple extra mill.

Its not just Joe Fan that feels that way either, we've all seen interviews & read articles about veterans that feel rookies have gotten WAY out of line with their demands.

In the real world, we have to work FIRST...then get paid.

Let me tell you something, in this league as a player if you don't get all the money you can, you're stupid.

If he gets hurt, no one is gonna take care of him. The league and the team will move on and not care, they'll replace him with someone else. Who's to say he'll even be good? If you are in a position to set yourself and your family up for a lifetime you do what you have to do.

**Easy 6** · 08-05-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Let me tell you something, in this league as a player if you don't get all the money you can, you're stupid.

If he gets hurt, no one is gonna take care of him. The league and the team will move on and not care, they'll replace him with someone else. Who's to say he'll even be good? If you are in a position to set yourself and your family up for a lifetime you do what you have to do.

If you ask me, what he's being offered right now is MORE than enough to live like a King for the rest of his life, unless he's a COMPLETE fool with his money.

I happen to believe that football is still about being the best player you can be & winning Championships...not $$$.

Mecca · 08-05-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free

If you ask me, what he's being offered right now is MORE than enough to live like a King for the rest of his life, unless he's a COMPLETE fool with his money.

I happen to believe that football is still about being the best player you can be & winning Championships...not $$$.

You're a fan.....it is a business aswell. These guys only have so many years to make money....

Say they're a million dollars apart, to a rookie that's never had money, to a regular guy that's a lot of money....

The league and the owners make tons of money I don't begrudge players at all for getting what they can get. You have a chance to set things up for your family for their lives you do it.

GoHuge · 08-05-2007, 11:43 AM

What pisses me off is if you look at the guys that have signed around him Bowe is squabbling about less than $500,000. Just do the math. I don't think Quinn should figure in to what Bowe gets. He's asking for top 10 money even though nobody thought he was worth a top 20 pick. It's frustrating as hell if Bowe is indeed waiting for Quinn to sign. Especially if Cleveland does something stupid like pay him top 10 money. That will really cause some problems, because Carl isn't paying him anymore than what he should be slotted at. It pisses me off that that dollar figure is holding up him being in his rookie training camp. He stands to loose alot more than $500,000 in the future because everyday he misses in camp will be reflected on the playing field in the regular season. If this goes much longer he may not start all year. Who knows. He needs to get his ass to camp.

**Rain Man** · 08-05-2007, 11:49 AM

If I was an NFL player, my contract with my agent would have a secret clause where they get a smaller percentage of the till with every passing day. Sign me today? You get 10 percent. Sign me tomorrow? You get 9.95 percent, and so on. You can bet that the agent would get me into camp on time.

Mecca · 08-05-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

If I was an NFL player, my contract with my agent would have a secret clause where they get a smaller percentage of the till with every passing day. Sign me today? You get 10 percent. Sign me tomorrow? You get 9.95 percent, and so on. You can bet that the agent would get me into camp on time.

I doubt you'd have an agent, or you wouldn't get the best deal possible.

**Skip Towne** · 08-05-2007, 11:54 AM

The Chiefs should decrease their offer daily.

**CosmicPal** · 08-05-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

or you wouldn't get the best deal possible.

So.

As much as I love football, I'd play the game for $100,000 a year. Just like the players of old who had second jobs during the off-season. I love the game enough that it wouldn't matter to me how much I got paid. Just sign me now, so I can get my love on the field.

You don't need 50 fuggen million. Pull on your helmet, put on your cleats, and get out there and play some fuggen football.

Mecca · 08-05-2007, 12:01 PM

If you have a chance to get that much money you do it, if you don't you are stupid.....it's a lot of money enough to set up your family forever. It's called being a smart businessman.

Just like people who bitch about baseball players is 40 mill a lot of money? Yea but if another team offers 80 you'd be a complete idiot to not take the 80. It's like now if another job offers you twice what you make now I seriously doubt you're gonna be hangin around.

**Rain Man** · 08-05-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I doubt you'd have an agent, or you wouldn't get the best deal possible.

The odds of me not getting an agent would be zero. They would be less than zero if that was possible. There isn't an agent in the world who wouldn't take that deal, because there are 32 first-round picks and 8 gazillion "sports agents".

And in terms of getting the best deal, what's your definition of that? If you mean the maximum money in the short-term, possibly not. But if you mean the best deal for my career, it would help my odds. Right now, you've got agents who will advise a ROOKIE player to HOLD OUT in his all-important first training camp so they can get an extra $100,000, or get some escalator clause that has a 5 percent chance of kicking in. Are they doing that for the player? No. They're doing it so they can get their ten percent and then tell the next prospect that they got a great deal. They don't care about the players' careers.

**cdcox** · 08-05-2007, 12:08 PM

Mecca, the thing is that he is that by delaying his development, he is putting his second contract at risk. The extra amount he he is likely to get by dragging things out is probably in the neighborhood of 2-3% of his second contract if he becomes a star. When you look at it that way, it's a bad business deal.

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HonestChieffan Seeking the Truth daily Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $-1405691	This Bowe thing... Lets face it, there is something badly wrong when a skills position player is not in camp working with a brand new QB. Somewhere these athletes are getting some bad bad advice that can and could impact their entire career. I figure we wasted the pick at this point. No way will he even come close to adding much value to this tream this season. He has a major screup going on cause had he showed up...and if hes any good...and if croyle is half waht we hope....we would have seen some passing this season. Now we have LJ who is a head case, old WR's or Young ones who cannot catch...The Defence would have to hold opponants to 3 pts agame for us to have a prayer.
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08-05-2007, 11:02 AM	#48
Chief Wiggum 5 Yr Plan Take 5 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bay Area - California Casino cash: $10004900	Having gone through contract negotiations myself recently, I'm sympathetic to Bowe trying to get all the money he can - that's capitalism. However, I think his agent is a douche and the thing that drives me nuts is we all know roughly what the slot is going to pay. With whatever minor wiggle room there is to negotiate, why don't they just put that money in performance incentives?
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08-05-2007, 11:02 AM	#49
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08-05-2007, 11:43 AM	#53
GoHuge The Truth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10006072	What pisses me off is if you look at the guys that have signed around him Bowe is squabbling about less than $500,000. Just do the math. I don't think Quinn should figure in to what Bowe gets. He's asking for top 10 money even though nobody thought he was worth a top 20 pick. It's frustrating as hell if Bowe is indeed waiting for Quinn to sign. Especially if Cleveland does something stupid like pay him top 10 money. That will really cause some problems, because Carl isn't paying him anymore than what he should be slotted at. It pisses me off that that dollar figure is holding up him being in his rookie training camp. He stands to loose alot more than $500,000 in the future because everyday he misses in camp will be reflected on the playing field in the regular season. If this goes much longer he may not start all year. Who knows. He needs to get his ass to camp.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-532950	If you have a chance to get that much money you do it, if you don't you are stupid.....it's a lot of money enough to set up your family forever. It's called being a smart businessman. Just like people who bitch about baseball players is 40 mill a lot of money? Yea but if another team offers 80 you'd be a complete idiot to not take the 80. It's like now if another job offers you twice what you make now I seriously doubt you're gonna be hangin around.
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08-05-2007, 12:08 PM	#60
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-478231	Mecca, the thing is that he is that by delaying his development, he is putting his second contract at risk. The extra amount he he is likely to get by dragging things out is probably in the neighborhood of 2-3% of his second contract if he becomes a star. When you look at it that way, it's a bad business deal.
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