For Oldtimers: LJ vs Okoye - Page 4

KCJohnny · 11-02-2007, 10:06 PM

I was watching the video posted by Nzoner (link here) of the Chiefs rolling the Bills in 1991 at Arrowhead against the SB bound Bills. Okoye was amazing.

Made me wonder - straight up - would you rather have LJ or Christian Okoye?

You young guys will not remember the Nigerian Nightmare - a 260 pound load of muscle, speed and heart.

I will add my all time fave Donnell Bennett to the poll...

**HemiEd** · 11-03-2007, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Did Okoye have the acceleration, agility and hands that LJ possesses?

No, not even close. I would take LJ in a minute, and I didn't miss a single Okoye game.

Braincase · 11-03-2007, 06:44 AM

LJ is more likely to create a win. Okoye fumbled more than LJ, and LJ is a better receiver. Christian might have been a better pass blocker, but if I'm choosing sides, I'll take LJ.

**Skip Towne** · 11-03-2007, 06:50 AM

Sorry Johnny, Bennett was a slug who only scored 17 TD's in 8 years. He averaged a pedestrian 3.7 ypc for his career. I loved Okoye. He wore lineman shoulder pads and always jogged past the opposing bench before the game to exhibit his size. He had speed but we never saw it as he rarely got loose. 3.9 ypc. LJ has faults but is always dangerous. Would be even more dangerous if the opposing D had to respect our passing game. 4.6 ypc. I'll take LJ.

**HemiEd** · 11-03-2007, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

LJ has more pure athletic ability hands down.

I loved the Nigerian Nightmare, but this shouldnt even be a discussion.

Alot of you guys are letting your personal bias's with LJ cloud your judgement.

Exactly, in fact, I preferred Barry Word even at that time. He was powerful, with speed.

**Skip Towne** · 11-03-2007, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Exactly, in fact, I preferred Barry Word even at that time. He was powerful, with speed.

Word was better than Bennett but not by much. Only 16 TD's in 7 years. 4.1 ypc.

**Iowanian** · 11-03-2007, 07:02 AM

I withhold my vote until I recieve my free, autographed 8x10 photo.

tiptap · 11-03-2007, 07:05 AM

Okoye was consistent behind his line. LJ has had inconsistencies from his line. LJ is a homerun threat even if Okoye occassionally hit it out of the park. What I would like to see from that era is the Deberg fake handoffs.

Fix the line play and then I could maybe dump on LJ if his play didn't improve. I'm just talking about average play by the line. Not so many negative running plays for instance.

Fix the line and I think LJ does very well.

**HemiEd** · 11-03-2007, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Word was better than Bennett but not by much. Only 16 TD's in 7 years. 4.1 ypc.

I know you have that reference site you go to, but, Word was not used as often as he could have been.
He broke loose numerous times, but was stuck in the 3 man RB by committee with Harvey Williams and Christian Okoye part of the time. He also had some injuries and legal problems that kept him off the field IIRC.
I would take Word's combination of size and speed anyday.

**HemiEd** · 11-03-2007, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

I withhold my vote until I recieve my free, autographed 8x10 photo.

Tim explained that to me recently, what an ass he was for doing that.

Believe it or not though, I have one.

**Iowanian** · 11-03-2007, 07:10 AM

Did you attend a personal event, and purchase some 3rd rate Energy bars in exchange?

**HemiEd** · 11-03-2007, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

Did you attend a personal event, and purchase some 3rd rate Energy bars in exchange?

Ebay.

I was decorrating my office.

penchief · 11-03-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Okoye faced a LOT more 9 man fronts than LJ and you never heard a peep from him. He continuously punished LBs. He also set up the prettiest play-action fake in the history of the NFL: Steve DeBerg's ball-in-hand deception that resulted in many a completion down the field.

Okoye's hands were pretty good seeing his first experience playing organized football was in college with Azusa Pacific College.

That's bull. Okoye split time with Word and ran behind a much better offensive line. And when Word was on top of his game, he was just as good as Okoye. The play-action was not set up by Okoye. It was set up by great play-action quarterbacks like Deberg, Krieg, and Montana.

You really do like to stretch things, don't you. Johnson is twice the running back talent that Okoye is. And I liked Okoye just as much as you did.

HonestChieffan · 11-03-2007, 07:42 AM

Christian wasnt a dickweed.

pikesome · 11-03-2007, 07:46 AM

I wonder how much has changed in the NFL since Okoye's time. From what I remember Okoye was a far more powerful runner but that beg's the question: How much more powerful has everyone else gotten since then. And even though we complain about LJ's receiving and pass blocking I'm thinking he's better than Okoye was but I'm not sure Okoye was asked to do as much. Still the Word/Okoye backfield has a special place in my heart, they were the duo when I was old enough to start paying attention to these things.

ILWarpaint · 11-03-2007, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DFB

No, and LJ is also the superior athlete. But Okoye was such a powerful ****ing, bruiser back. But in all fairness, the question should be, "Would you take Okoye now or LJ then?" The game has changed.

Bingo!

View Poll Results: Okoye or Larry Johnson?
Larry Johnson	23	36.51%
Christian Okoye	36	57.14%
Other	2	3.17%
Donnell Bennett (KCJ's all-time fave)	2	3.17%
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11-02-2007, 10:06 PM
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	For Oldtimers: LJ vs Okoye I was watching the video posted by Nzoner (link here) of the Chiefs rolling the Bills in 1991 at Arrowhead against the SB bound Bills. Okoye was amazing. Made me wonder - straight up - would you rather have LJ or Christian Okoye? You young guys will not remember the Nigerian Nightmare - a 260 pound load of muscle, speed and heart. I will add my all time fave Donnell Bennett to the poll...
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11-03-2007, 06:44 AM	#47
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11-03-2007, 06:50 AM	#48
Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	Sorry Johnny, Bennett was a slug who only scored 17 TD's in 8 years. He averaged a pedestrian 3.7 ypc for his career. I loved Okoye. He wore lineman shoulder pads and always jogged past the opposing bench before the game to exhibit his size. He had speed but we never saw it as he rarely got loose. 3.9 ypc. LJ has faults but is always dangerous. Would be even more dangerous if the opposing D had to respect our passing game. 4.6 ypc. I'll take LJ.
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11-03-2007, 07:05 AM	#52
tiptap Is this it? Join Date: Jan 2004 Casino cash: $10007847	Okoye was consistent behind his line. LJ has had inconsistencies from his line. LJ is a homerun threat even if Okoye occassionally hit it out of the park. What I would like to see from that era is the Deberg fake handoffs. Fix the line play and then I could maybe dump on LJ if his play didn't improve. I'm just talking about average play by the line. Not so many negative running plays for instance. Fix the line and I think LJ does very well. __________________ Even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He has a right to harbor and indulge his imbecilities as long as he pleases. . . He has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge." -H.L. Mencken
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11-03-2007, 07:46 AM	#59
pikesome PEW PEW Join Date: May 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	I wonder how much has changed in the NFL since Okoye's time. From what I remember Okoye was a far more powerful runner but that beg's the question: How much more powerful has everyone else gotten since then. And even though we complain about LJ's receiving and pass blocking I'm thinking he's better than Okoye was but I'm not sure Okoye was asked to do as much. Still the Word/Okoye backfield has a special place in my heart, they were the duo when I was old enough to start paying attention to these things. __________________ 4. Performance enhancing drugs: A) are my ticket to the Hall of Fame. B) would be better if they tasted like fruit and were shaped like various Flintstones characters. C) are not for me, because I find that cocaine aids my performance much more effectively. D) apparently worked for Rodney Harrison.
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