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**cdcox** · 06:35 PM

WE DRAFT 4TH (25%) or 5 th (75%) PENDING THE OUTCOME OF TWO COIN FLIPS Details in thread.

I'm starting the 80th billionth thread on this subject. I'll keep the thread starter up to date so that people can see what is happening without wading through multiple threads.

If the Chiefs lose we will draft between the 3rd and 5th.

To get the 3rd we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND

An Oakland win

AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING TWO

{(A Denver Loss) -OR- ( a Coin Flip win)

To get the 4th we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING THREE OUTCOMES

(An Oakland win) -OR- (A Denver Loss) -OR- (TWO Coin Flip wins)

To get the 5th we need:

A Chiefs loss

If the Chiefs win we will draft between the 6th and 8th.

To get the 6th we need:

KC to win (blah)

Oakland to win AND
Baltimore to win AND
Minnesota to win AND
Indy to win

To get the 7th we need:

KC to win (blah)

AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING 2:

(Wins by Baltimore and Indy) -OR- Oakland win

Otherwise a KC win causes us to draft 8th

mylittlepony · 12-30-2007, 04:51 PM

I think its great. Im very gratefull. I just dont want to cheer for Dallas unless I absolutly have to.

**cdcox** · 12-30-2007, 04:54 PM

Based on the scores at this moment we would draft 4th or 5th. We'd have to have two coin flips go our way to draft 4th.

Chiefs Pantalones · 12-30-2007, 04:57 PM

So Dallas has to win?

**cdcox** · 12-30-2007, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

So Dallas has to win?

No. Doesn't matter.

Chiefs Pantalones · 12-30-2007, 05:07 PM

So if things go the way they're going right now we will be drafting fourth or fifth based on two coin flips? By which two teams?

mylittlepony · 12-30-2007, 05:08 PM

http://football.about.com/od/miscinf...draftorder.htm

Is this true cause if it is its DIV-record after SOS (giving ATL an edge with a 1-5 div and then KC if the results remain as now with 2-4 shared with OAK but a worse conf record with 3-8 to Oaklands 4-7)?

acesn8s · 12-30-2007, 05:09 PM

I think you are wrong in determining the order of the draft. you are using overall record and SOS only. I believe that the NFL tiebreakers are used unless you can provide a link stating otherwise.

**cdcox** · 12-30-2007, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

So if things go the way they're going right now we will be drafting fourth or fifth based on two coin flips? By which two teams?

This is all based on the scores we have now.

We'd be in a 3-way tie with Oakland and Atlanta, all three teams having the same record and AND the same SOS.

We first have to break the tie with Oakland since they in our division. Without going into the details, Oakland would draft first based on the outcome of that tiebreaker.

So the first coin flip would be between Atlanta and Oakland. We want Oakland to win that coin flip, such that they would get to draft in the 3rd slot.

Then, we would be in a coin flip with the Falcons over the 4th and 5th spot.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-30-2007, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acesn8s

I think you are wrong in determining the order of the draft. you are using overall record and SOS only. I believe that the NFL tiebreakers are used unless you can provide a link stating otherwise.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

Draft positions are determined by record, the team with the worst record during the regular season picks first and so on. If two teams have the same record, the strength of schedule tie-breaker is used which is the combined winning percentage of all teams on each team's schedule for the current season. If teams are still tied after strength of schedule has been applied, the division or conference tie breakers are used. If teams are still tied after applying all tiebreakers or if two teams are tied that are in different conferences, a coin toss after the season will determnined which team gets priority.

The Super Bowl winner automatically picks 32nd while the Super Bowl loser picks 31st regardless of regular season record. All other playoff teams are placed in the selection order based on their regular season record upon losing their playoff game. If a playoff team and a non-playoff team are tied based on regular season record, the non-playoff team will pick first. If two playoff teams are tied based on regular season record, the team that lost in the earlier round of the playoffs will select first. If both playoff teams that have the same record exited the playoffs in the same round, the strength-of-schedule tiebreaker is applied.

Record
SOS
Division record (only applies if in same division)
Conference record (only applies if in same conference)
Coin flip

**banyon** · 12-30-2007, 05:13 PM

Looking like a 5th now.

**cdcox** · 12-30-2007, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acesn8s

I think you are wrong in determining the order of the draft. you are using overall record and SOS only. I believe that the NFL tiebreakers are used unless you can provide a link stating otherwise.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

mylittlepony · 12-30-2007, 05:18 PM

So sorry for being a moron again but the Division tiebreaker wont split us from OAK cause we will have the same. But the Conferance is difference. So do we want a worse Conf record or a better in order to draft earlier?

mylittlepony · 12-30-2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

This is all based on the scores we have now.

We'd be in a 3-way tie with Oakland and Atlanta, all three teams having the same record and AND the same SOS.

We first have to break the tie with Oakland since they in our division. Without going into the details, Oakland would draft first based on the outcome of that tiebreaker.

So the first coin flip would be between Atlanta and Oakland. We want Oakland to win that coin flip, such that they would get to draft in the 3rd slot.

Then, we would be in a coin flip with the Falcons over the 4th and 5th spot.

Sorry just read this. It explains my last question. Again thanks alot.

**cdcox** · 12-30-2007, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mylittlepony

So sorry for being a moron again but the Division tiebreaker wont split us from OAK cause we will have the same. But the Conferance is difference. So do we want a worse Conf record or a better in order to draft earlier?

When I say Division tiebreaker, I mean the whole 11-step process. (see below).

We would have a better record in common games. (KC wins against SD and Minn compared to an Oakland win against Denver)

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in common games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

Chiefs Pantalones · 12-30-2007, 05:36 PM

24-17 SD leads, end of the 4th.

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cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-488231	** cdcox's OFFICIAL where are we drafting NOW thread WE DRAFT 4TH (25%) or 5 th (75%) PENDING THE OUTCOME OF TWO COIN FLIPS Details in thread. I'm starting the 80th billionth thread on this subject. I'll keep the thread starter up to date so that people can see what is happening without wading through multiple threads. If the Chiefs lose we will draft between the 3rd and 5th. To get the 3rd we need: A Chiefs loss AND An Oakland win AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING TWO {(A Denver Loss) -OR- ( a Coin Flip win) To get the 4th we need: A Chiefs loss AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING THREE OUTCOMES (An Oakland win) -OR- (A Denver Loss) -OR- (TWO Coin Flip wins) To get the 5th we need: A Chiefs loss If the Chiefs win we will draft between the 6th and 8th. To get the 6th we need: KC to win (blah) Oakland to win AND Baltimore to win AND Minnesota to win AND Indy to win To get the 7th we need: KC to win (blah) AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING 2: (Wins by Baltimore and Indy) -OR- Oakland win Otherwise a KC win causes us to draft 8th** Last edited by cdcox; 12-30-2007 at 06:35 PM..
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12-30-2007, 04:51 PM	#46
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12-30-2007, 04:54 PM	#47
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12-30-2007, 04:57 PM	#48
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12-30-2007, 05:07 PM	#50
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12-30-2007, 05:08 PM	#51
mylittlepony Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Casino cash: $10005855	http://football.about.com/od/miscinf...draftorder.htm Is this true cause if it is its DIV-record after SOS (giving ATL an edge with a 1-5 div and then KC if the results remain as now with 2-4 shared with OAK but a worse conf record with 3-8 to Oaklands 4-7)?
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12-30-2007, 05:09 PM	#52
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12-30-2007, 05:13 PM	#55
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12-30-2007, 05:18 PM	#57
mylittlepony Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Casino cash: $10005855	So sorry for being a moron again but the Division tiebreaker wont split us from OAK cause we will have the same. But the Conferance is difference. So do we want a worse Conf record or a better in order to draft earlier?
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12-30-2007, 05:36 PM	#60
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