Where does eveyone stand on smoking bans?

[RNR]

I think it should be up to the owner, and would even be willing to have it up to the owner if you have to be 21 to enter. City wide is bullshit IMO

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by FAX

I don't understand the "rights" argument very well, Mr. RedNeckRaider.

I mean, you still have the "right" to smoke your tail off at home, correct? How is it a "right" to gas your poor neighbors? You have the "right" to stick a croquet mallet up your ass, paint your pecker purple, and walk around naked in your own house, but society has the "right" to curtail that sort of activity in public, do they not?

FAX

So Bob Dole's privately owned business (you know...the one where Bob Dole assumes all the financial risk) is now "public"?

[MTG#10]

Originally Posted by Valiant

So I can same the same for noise pollution when somebody is talking loud or you do not know how to control your brat in public??? If we are banning smoking, then there should be fines for noise pollution when out in public...

People talking loud isnt harmful to your health. Thats the difference.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Valiant

So I can same the same for noise pollution when somebody is talking loud or you do not know how to control your brat in public??? If we are banning smoking, then there should be fines for noise pollution when out in public...

Totally agree. And parents who bring their infant children into a movie theater should be shot.

FAX

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by Valiant

So I can same the same for noise pollution when somebody is talking loud or you do not know how to control your brat in public??? If we are banning smoking, then there should be fines for noise pollution when out in public...

The one and only time one of my kids was making noise above a talking level and didn't respond to the first two times we told her to be quite we left.

People are generally inconsiderate. I'm not sure how you solve that. You have to include smokers in that don't you?

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by TN_Chief

Totally agree. When I'm in a town with no-smoking laws I go out frequently. When I'm in a place that doesn't have them I stay home. It's basically the reverse of the economic argument that many smokers and business owners like to bring up.

Other then fact of all the businesses that went belly up in places that had the law go in effect..

Granted some places might get more businesses, is it really worth it to have other businesses go under for it??

[seclark]

no more cig butts in the urinals at bars around town.
which, they don't light worth a shit after that anyway...
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[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by MTG#10

People talking loud isnt harmful to your health. Thats the difference.

There's some debate on whether or not second hand smoke in the kinds of quantities the average person encounters is harmful.

[TN_Chief]

Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

I respect you being honest, however where does it stop? You like this right being taken away because you hate smoke. At what point is rights being taken away a problem?

Believe me, I'm conflicted about it. I totally understand what you're saying and I agree.

I don't have a problem with smokers being able to go outside and smoke...even though when I'm on a patio I can smell it and don't really like it. I figure we've got to compromise, and if I can get a non-smoking interior then I'm good with "sharing" patios, etc. IIRC in Indiana they just have really super-strict regulations about smoking and non-smoking areas inside the bars/restaurants...I think they actually have to have separate ventilation systems and the rooms have to be sealed off from one another. The smoking room is kept at a slightly lower air pressure so that smoke doesn't get out, etc. That always seemed like a decent deal to me.

Bottom line...smoking isn't good for you, and secondhand smoke turns non-smokers into smokers. The same is NOT true of alcohol. If I'm drinking and you're not, the alcohol in my drink isn't getting into your body. When you light up and I'm anywhere near you, I'm sucking in your fumes.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Other then fact of all the businesses that went belly up in places that had the law go in effect..

Granted some places might get more businesses, is it really worth it to have other businesses go under for it??

You have some evidence of that happening? Sounds like a scare story to me.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

The one and only time one of my kids was making noise above a talking level and didn't respond to the first two times we told her to be quite we left.

People are generally inconsiderate. I'm not sure how you solve that. You have to include smokers in that don't you?

Wasn't singling out anybody in particular here, but you do the same thing..

You pass a crazy stupid law, that requires others to rat you out.. If your kid is crying or you are talking too loud the ones around you can tell those who own the business to make you leave or call the cops.. Just think another money making scheme for the police to control...

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

You have some evidence of that happening? Sounds like a scare story to me.

Plenty of first hand evidence on here of local bars closing because they lost their smoking crowds..

[TN_Chief]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

So Bob Dole's privately owned business (you know...the one where Bob Dole assumes all the financial risk) is now "public"?

Is Bob Dole allowed to refuse service to blacks or women? I didn't think so.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Wasn't singling out anybody in particular here, but you do the same thing..

You pass a crazy stupid law, that requires others to rat you out.. If your kid is crying or you are talking too loud the ones around you can tell those who own the business to make you leave or call the cops.. Just think another money making scheme for the police to control...

I didn't mean to insinuate that you did mean me, I was just pointing out that it can be handled sans new law.

Very few laws are actual net gains to the public coffers. These certainly aren't.

I'm still torn.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by TN_Chief

Is Bob Dole allowed to refuse service to blacks or women? I didn't think so.

Not unless the senator is running a golf club.

[TN_Chief]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Other then fact of all the businesses that went belly up in places that had the law go in effect..

Granted some places might get more businesses, is it really worth it to have other businesses go under for it??

Not to be flip, but businesses go under all the time. If your business is that reliant on one demographic it's probably not a real secure business to begin with.