Chiefs Why isn't Herm gone? - Page 4

whoman69 · 09-20-2008, 06:50 PM

If you ran the Chiefs, what would be the situation with our head coach right now?

TN_Chief · 09-20-2008, 08:59 PM

I don't know if this has been said already...but I don't agree with the "no firings during the season" bit. IMO the moment a losing culture has started to permeate a team (and it has here) it's time for the FO and coaching staff to be cleaned out. No waiting, no bullshit...fired on the spot.

Think about it...what good comes from putting it off? You alienate/anger your fanbase. You lose money as ticket sales, concessions, etc. sales decline. You lose the confidence and interest of your players. You may even lose free agents who see what a disaster the team has become and either don't re-sign or don't consider signing because of it. A public firing in this case reaffirms to your fans and your players that you're about winning and will not accept what's become an embarrasment.

The mistake is assuming that a GM/HC situation is any different than any other job or relationship. If you hire someone at your business and they spend 2 years ****ing things up, do you hold off on firing them until the project they're in the middle of is ****ed up too? If your girlfriend repeatedly cheats on you, do you wait until after the class you're taking together to dump her, or is she out on her ass immediately?

Keeping Carl and Herm at this point serves no purpose other than to perpetuate the travesty this team has become.

milkman · 09-20-2008, 09:01 PM

I would never have hired the dumb**** to begin with.

milkman · 09-20-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Herm and Carl are to blame, but I really think the Chiefs have really bad ownership. Pretty much sums up the reason why they're bad?

The problem is, the way I look at it, I think Clark is a nice guy but he is using the same tactics like his father. His father treated his execs like family and was incredibly loyal.

It's just a bad omen for success when you intertwine that type of mentality with business. Nobody and I mean nobody deserves a job for 20 years as a GM when your an underachieveing GM. Clark needs to change his mentality, and focus more on the results then treating Carl like family. He needs to be more schrude.

*If this season doesn't axe Herm and Carl then I don't know what will? Especially when we win 1 game.

I think we have a new word for the lexicon.

**Skip Towne** · 09-20-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I would never have hired the dumb**** to begin with.

I wouldn't either knowing what I know now. But any of these "new blood" coaches are a crapshoot. You need a crystal ball to tell which ones will pan out.

blueballs · 09-20-2008, 09:05 PM

no firing Herm this season
no no no

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-20-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Your opinion doesn't mean much to me. You tend to ignore the facts.

And what would those fact be? Are you seriously stating that Marty Schottenheimer should be a GM in the NFL, despite his gaffes over the years, one of which I included in my post?

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-20-2008, 09:43 PM

I'm still waiting, Skippy.

whoman69 · 09-20-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I said I'd think you were a myopic idiot if Marty were your only suggestion.

I didn't say that YOU were a myopic idiot.

There is a difference.

Regardless, there will be NO firings during the season.

What in the hell would that accomplish? Seriously?

WHAT?

We would get them out of this pattern of play before it takes permanent root.

**DeezNutz** · 09-20-2008, 10:34 PM

nekid photos.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-20-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

We would get them out of this pattern of play before it takes permanent root.

When the team's average age is 26.1, there's not too many guys around that have "this pattern of play".

How many old guys do you see on the roster? And how many do you think will be back next year? Two?

**Rain Man** · 09-20-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Why isn't Herm gone?

Another possibility is that the door says "Push" and he's pulling.

boogblaster · 09-20-2008, 10:48 PM

Play the hand dealt this year ... look over the youth .. send Herm and Carl to Denver and try to rebuild the O with more size and speed ... look for more LBers ... tell Gun and Chan goodluck elsewhere ... Hire Cowher as HC and maybe Phillips as GM with only a 2 year contract ....

whoman69 · 09-21-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blueballs

no firing Herm this season
no no no

This team is totally disfunctional right now. Do you really let that continue? What does it serve to keep these guys playing Herm style football the rest of the year? We will ruin any talent that we might have. Do we have to go 0-16 before a move is made?

teedubya · 09-21-2008, 12:25 PM

this season is a complete waste. 0 positives so far.

SoCalBronco · 09-21-2008, 12:27 PM

Well....the reason is obvious. It's just as GoChiefs said. There simply isn't enough data to determine that the Chiefs suck, yet. Clearly, firing Herm this early would be acting ignorantly.

View Poll Results: Would you have fired Herm?
He wouldn't have even made it to this season	32	56.14%
Two games is enough. Let him go.	13	22.81%
Let's see how this season plays out	11	19.30%
Whatever Gaz decides	1	1.75%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

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09-20-2008, 08:59 PM	#46
TN_Chief Herm Edwards is...Kim Jong-il Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Eden Prairie, MN Casino cash: $10004900	I don't know if this has been said already...but I don't agree with the "no firings during the season" bit. IMO the moment a losing culture has started to permeate a team (and it has here) it's time for the FO and coaching staff to be cleaned out. No waiting, no bullshit...fired on the spot. Think about it...what good comes from putting it off? You alienate/anger your fanbase. You lose money as ticket sales, concessions, etc. sales decline. You lose the confidence and interest of your players. You may even lose free agents who see what a disaster the team has become and either don't re-sign or don't consider signing because of it. A public firing in this case reaffirms to your fans and your players that you're about winning and will not accept what's become an embarrasment. The mistake is assuming that a GM/HC situation is any different than any other job or relationship. If you hire someone at your business and they spend 2 years **ing things up, do you hold off on firing them until the project they're in the middle of is **ed up too? If your girlfriend repeatedly cheats on you, do you wait until after the class you're taking together to dump her, or is she out on her ass immediately? Keeping Carl and Herm at this point serves no purpose other than to perpetuate the travesty this team has become.
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09-20-2008, 09:05 PM	#50
blueballs Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	no firing Herm this season no no no
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09-20-2008, 10:48 PM	#57
boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	Play the hand dealt this year ... look over the youth .. send Herm and Carl to Denver and try to rebuild the O with more size and speed ... look for more LBers ... tell Gun and Chan goodluck elsewhere ... Hire Cowher as HC and maybe Phillips as GM with only a 2 year contract .... __________________ WR or S please
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09-21-2008, 12:25 PM	#59
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $8993042	this season is a complete waste. 0 positives so far.
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09-21-2008, 12:27 PM	#60
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Arcadia, CA Casino cash: $10006115	Well....the reason is obvious. It's just as GoChiefs said. There simply isn't enough data to determine that the Chiefs suck, yet. Clearly, firing Herm this early would be acting ignorantly.
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