If the Chiefs do end up with the # 1 pick..

[tomahawk kid]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

STAFFORD, Period

I realize he's probably the best college QB prospect out there, but for some reason drafting him scares the be-jebus out of me.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

I realize he's probably the best college QB prospect out there, but for some reason drafting him scares the be-jebus out of me.

Don't worry, I'm sure the Chiefs feel the same way. They'll draft a tackle.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Brock

Don't worry, I'm sure the Chiefs feel the same way. They'll draft a tackle.

After the tackle we will spend a second on another safety.

[DeezNutz]

True fans, UNITE!!!

[Frankie]

I love for us to finally get the next Willie Lanier, Rey Maualuga. But I hope we somehow end up with 2 firsts to use one on him. The other, on Bradford or McCoy, if they do come out. I'm not sold on Stafford.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I love for us to finally get the next Willie Lanier, Rey Maualuga. But I hope we somehow end up with 2 firsts to use one on him. The other, on Bradford or McCoy, if they do come out. I'm not sold on Stafford.

McCoy in the first?
no thanks, im done with 205 pound QB's

[RedThat]

If the Chiefs have the #1 overall pick and Carl and Herm are making the selection at that time, it wouldn't bode so well with me if those guys are taking a QB. If they groom that QB, they'll destroy him.

As stupid as this sounds to some, but I honestly think it would be a wise choice, if they could find a trading partner, trade that #1 overall pick. the amount of value you could get in return is insurmountable. Mind you, I say this because I feel Carl and Herm will be back another year.

Seriously whats the point of drafting a QB? You have a coach who has a history of getting his QB's hurt because he can't run a real offense, and his teams always have piss poor pass protection. Never a good combination especially for a young QB.

If you can get multiple picks in return in the process by trading down, why not? You really think drafting a QB is going to be the saviour of this team?

I don't know about you guys, but Im thinking overall team. The whole team sucks and could use help anywhere possible. You trade down you could even get a 1st rounder next year, and possibly 2 2nds, and 3rds for this year and next. this team is not gonna get better just by drafting a QB. They could use picks everywhere, and help at multiple positions. That's how you rebuild. I like what they did last year by getting extra picks, and I honestly wouldn't mind if that happened again.

Of course having Herm and Carl here don't help the young players. But hey at least if they stick around for possibly another year, and this organization gets as many young guys as possible, and after Carl and Herm are gone(when there contracts run out) Im holding my breath Clark isn't dumb enough to give them contract extensions, those young players will have a real GM and head coach here to help their game.

[Shag]

Originally Posted by RedBull

If the Chiefs have the #1 overall pick and Carl and Herm are making the selection at that time, it wouldn't bode so well with me if those guys are taking a QB. If they groom that QB, they'll destroy him.

As stupid as this sounds to some, but I honestly think it would be a wise choice, if they could find a trading partner, trade that #1 overall pick. the amount of value you could get in return is insurmountable. Mind you, I say this because I feel Carl and Herm will be back another year.

Seriously whats the point of drafting a QB? You have a coach who has a history of getting his QB's hurt because he can't run a real offense, and his teams always have piss poor pass protection. Never a good combination especially for a young QB.

If you can get multiple picks in return in the process by trading down, why not? You really think drafting a QB is going to be the saviour of this team?

I don't know about you guys, but Im thinking overall team. The whole team sucks and could use help anywhere possible. You trade down you could even get a 1st rounder next year, and possibly 2 2nds, and 3rds for this year and next. this team is not gonna get better just by drafting a QB. They could use picks everywhere, and help at multiple positions. That's how you rebuild. I like what they did last year by getting extra picks, and I honestly wouldn't mind if that happened again.

Of course having Herm and Carl here don't help the young players. But hey at least if they stick around for possibly another year, and this organization gets as many young guys as possible, and after Carl and Herm are gone(when there contracts run out) Im holding my breath Clark isn't dumb enough to give them contract extensions, those young players will have a real GM and head coach here to help their game.

Keep in mind that any drafted QB is likely to take at least 2-3 years before making any real positive impact. The long the Chiefs wait to find their QBOTF, the later the development of that QB is pushed. We have an extraordinarily young team, and need to be developing a QB while also developing those other young players. What good is a young team coming to maturity when there's no QB to lead that team?

I agree with your concerns about Carl/Herm, but even if they are back next year, that's almost assuredly the last year of that regime. Hopefully, a drafted QB would sit most/all of the year on the bench behind a FA pickup, limiting the exposure behind a shoddy OL.

Even if they wanted to trade the #1, I think they'd have difficulty doing so. There's really not a "can't miss" prospect that everyone is clamoring for this year...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Shag

Keep in mind that any drafted QB is likely to take at least 2-3 years before making any real positive impact. The long the Chiefs wait to find their QBOTF, the later the development of that QB is pushed. We have an extraordinarily young team, and need to be developing a QB while also developing those other young players. What good is a young team coming to maturity when there's no QB to lead that team?

I agree with your concerns about Carl/Herm, but even if they are back next year, that's almost assuredly the last year of that regime. Hopefully, a drafted QB would sit most/all of the year on the bench behind a FA pickup, limiting the exposure behind a shoddy OL.

Even if they wanted to trade the #1, I think they'd have difficulty doing so. There's really not a "can't miss" prospect that everyone is clamoring for this year...

This is going to be a very deep draft class, and as a result, the #1 pick isn't going to command that much in trade value.

I understand the concern about having Herm and Carl around while a new QB is groomed, as they are teh suck. However, Stafford is a pretty damned good QB specimen. He has size, mobility, arm strength, he's played in a pro style offense, and he doesn't have shit to work with, so he's much more used to making the kinds of throws that you need to make in order to succeed in the NFL (I'm talking to you, Bradford and McCoy).

If some team offers you a king's ransom, and dumb and dumber are still around, I can see the logic of trading down. But at the same time, I worry that the development of our team will be further delayed.

Something on the order of a top five pick, a first next year, a third, and a fifth (basically what NYG paid for Manning) should be what they would ask for if they were to trade out of that spot.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Shag

Keep in mind that any drafted QB is likely to take at least 2-3 years before making any real positive impact. The long the Chiefs wait to find their QBOTF, the later the development of that QB is pushed. We have an extraordinarily young team, and need to be developing a QB while also developing those other young players. What good is a young team coming to maturity when there's no QB to lead that team?

I agree with your concerns about Carl/Herm, but even if they are back next year, that's almost assuredly the last year of that regime. Hopefully, a drafted QB would sit most/all of the year on the bench behind a FA pickup, limiting the exposure behind a shoddy OL.

Even if they wanted to trade the #1, I think they'd have difficulty doing so. There's really not a "can't miss" prospect that everyone is clamoring for this year...

And they tried that with Croyle. Im just going by history. History shows that QB's that play in Herm's scheme have at least a 75% chance of getting hurt.
for a young QB, that's never a good sign. We all know getting hurt most of the time doesn't lead to progression. And that is my ultimate concern.

Now, if they draft a QB with Carl and Herm here, Im with you, I hope that QB rides the pine for 1 year and play the next year with a new regime.

Im a firm believer, mind you this is my opinion, that a young QB will succeed if the environment around him is healthy enough. As we all know, that is not the case with Kansas City.

Instead of a QB, I'd rather go with the idea of drafting more lineman. I always beleive good football teams start upfront. I'd love it if this team were to draft another offensive tackle or even a pass rusher? If they could find a trading partner and get more picks, even better.

[KC kid]

Originally Posted by RedBull

If the Chiefs have the #1 overall pick and Carl and Herm are making the selection at that time, it wouldn't bode so well with me if those guys are taking a QB. If they groom that QB, they'll destroy him.

As stupid as this sounds to some, but I honestly think it would be a wise choice, if they could find a trading partner, trade that #1 overall pick. the amount of value you could get in return is insurmountable. Mind you, I say this because I feel Carl and Herm will be back another year.

Seriously whats the point of drafting a QB? You have a coach who has a history of getting his QB's hurt because he can't run a real offense, and his teams always have piss poor pass protection. Never a good combination especially for a young QB.

If you can get multiple picks in return in the process by trading down, why not? You really think drafting a QB is going to be the saviour of this team?

I don't know about you guys, but Im thinking overall team. The whole team sucks and could use help anywhere possible. You trade down you could even get a 1st rounder next year, and possibly 2 2nds, and 3rds for this year and next. this team is not gonna get better just by drafting a QB. They could use picks everywhere, and help at multiple positions. That's how you rebuild. I like what they did last year by getting extra picks, and I honestly wouldn't mind if that happened again.

Of course having Herm and Carl here don't help the young players. But hey at least if they stick around for possibly another year, and this organization gets as many young guys as possible, and after Carl and Herm are gone(when there contracts run out) Im holding my breath Clark isn't dumb enough to give them contract extensions, those young players will have a real GM and head coach here to help their game.

As Bill Parcells said earlier this year, it is hard to get anyone to trade up and take the number one pick.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by KC kid

As Bill Parcells said earlier this year, it is hard to get anyone to trade up and take the number one pick.

Note, I said the word "if". If they could find a trading partner. If they could, then I think that would be great.

[Cornstock]

Is it crazy to take a QB first overall and then, in the style of the packers, use a 3rd (hopefully assuming we have more than 1 thirds) taking another QB?

[Cornstock]

and of course, O-line in the second, assuming the tackles dont go on a run like last year, in which case take the best talent available.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Cornstock

and of course, O-line in the second, assuming the tackles dont go on a run like last year, in which case take the best talent available.

There are a lot of tackles available this year.

Oher
Smith
Monroe
Meredith
Jason Smith
Troy Kropog (sleeper alert...genetic freak)
Jamon Meredith

Plus, given the fact that so many teams used high picks on tackles last year, you're probably going to get pretty good value on them this year, as teams will stupidly pick for need over BPA/positional value.