Chiefs Trade LJ to N.E? - Page 4

cardken · 11-20-2008, 12:53 PM

It looks like Larry Johnson's days in KC are over, too many bridges have been burnt and his relationship with the organization seems tarnished. With that said, how would a trade for him to New England sound for a second round pick in this years draft. It seems logical because:

KC has Jamaal Charles and Kolby Smith

NE has been known to take chances on players (i.e. Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon)

KC is young and rebuilding so draft picks are very valuable

NE has San Diego's 2nd round pick in 2009

Laurence Maroney has not been able to carry the load for a whole season and would benefit from a joint backfield like in college (Marion Barber)

**Rausch** · 11-21-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Okay, let's use Willie Parker or even Ryan Grant instead of Marion Barber. The point stands, replacing Larry Johnson isn't that big of a deal. And I don't agree that Jamaal Charles couldn't do it anyway.

I don't think he can, but your point stands.

LJ is a ****ing scumbag and for anyone other than Peterson HB is about the easiest position to hit on in the draft...

**Rausch** · 11-21-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think the most we're going to get is a conditional pick for LJ based on production.

It could go as high as a 2nd if he gets elected to the Pro Bowl (which I think he's still capable), or as low as a 6th if he doesn't even break 800 yards or something.

Anyone know his contract numbers for next year?

beach tribe · 11-21-2008, 10:18 AM

Good RBs should always be the last piece of a rebuild. Get everyone else in place, and then pick a good RB high in the draft.
That's the best way to get the most, for the longest out of a good RB. The RB will be young, and cheap throughout your 4-6 year window.

TommyHawk69 · 11-21-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Good RBs should always be the last piece of a rebuild. Get everyone else in place, and then pick a good RB high in the draft.
That's the best way to get the most, for the longest out of a good RB. The RB will be young, and cheap throughout your 4-6 year window.

It seems to me we were always one good RB away back in the marty era.

Mr. Laz · 11-21-2008, 11:05 AM

now ........ we might be able to trade Larry Johnson to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

they are making a real run and he would fit well into their system.

they have lots or RB injuries and LJ could be that final piece that they could be willing to overpay for

Alphaman · 11-21-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I don't think he can, but your point stands.

LJ is a ****ing scumbag and for anyone other than Peterson HB is about the easiest position to hit on in the draft...

You need to read the entire debated between Brock and I to fully understand. My point has been that we can't afford to use a draft pick on RB because we have too many other holes that must be filled (MLB, OLB, DE, OT, OG, QB, CB). It's not good strategy to create another hole by cutting LJ or trading him for little in return. He is still a very productive back. We have the opporutinity to go after some of his guaranteed money because of his suspensions. The smart play would be to turn that guaranteed money into incentive money and motivate him financially to be the back we need him to be.

Alphaman · 11-21-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Okay, let's use Willie Parker or even Ryan Grant instead of Marion Barber. The point stands, replacing Larry Johnson isn't that big of a deal. And I don't agree that Jamaal Charles couldn't do it anyway.

Fair enough, but Parker and Grant are a dime a dozen. How many URFA were there in the year they entered the NFL. They are 1 out of a boatload of guys. The Packers didn't even sign the guy, they traded for him after the Giants signed him. Once again, we don't have the draft picks to spend on a RB this year.

Brock · 11-21-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphaman

Fair enough, but Parker and Grant are a dime a dozen.

So is Larry Johnson. When was the last time he made a play that made you sit up and take notice? For the kind of money you're laying out for him, he'd better be able to punch it in from the one.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

now ........ we might be able to trade Larry Johnson to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

they are making a real run and he would fit well into their system.

they have lots or RB injuries and LJ could be that final piece that they could be willing to overpay for

The trade deadline passed October 14th.

I highly doubt that the Steelers would trade for him in 2009.

Alphaman · 11-21-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

So is Larry Johnson. When was the last time he made a play that made you sit up and take notice? For the kind of money you're laying out for him, he'd better be able to punch it in from the one.

It doesn't matter who is running the ball, if the O-Line doesn't get a push at the 1 yard line NO RUNNING is going to "punch it in". That was on the O-line last week, not LJ.

BTW, I errored in my statement. I meant to say that Parker and Grant are NOT a dime a dozen. I believe my followup sentence supported that. There are far more guys that don't have NFL talent that are URFA.

LJ is not a dime a dozen either. To answer your questoin, I sat up and took notice against the Falcons. I sat up and took notice when he went for almost 200 yards against the Broncos. In fact, I sat up and took notice when he ripped off 8 yards a carry against the Saints until the O-Line got punked on the goalline.

Brock · 11-21-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphaman

LJ is not a dime a dozen either. To answer your questoin, I sat up and took notice against the Falcons. I sat up and took notice when he went for almost 200 yards against the Broncos. In fact, I sat up and took notice when he ripped off 8 yards a carry against the Saints until the O-Line got punked on the goalline.

you're a lot more impressed with him than I am. I'll leave it at that.

Alphaman · 11-21-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

you're a lot more impressed with him than I am. I'll leave it at that.

Fair enough. Let's be clear. I think he is replaceable, but I think we have too many holes to fill to spend time, energy, money and/or draft picks on his spot when we have him already.

Sure-Oz · 11-21-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The trade deadline passed October 14th.

I highly doubt that the Steelers would trade for him in 2009.

They have good depth come next year with Parker, Mendenhall and i assume Moore is signed too

Mr. Laz · 11-21-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The trade deadline passed October 14th.

I highly doubt that the Steelers would trade for him in 2009.

this is true ...... i guess i thought everyone was just talking hypothetical.

Chiefaholic · 11-21-2008, 03:38 PM

Why are so many people so damn negative all the time? The same people clammering that LJ has no trade value, are the same people that said Hall, Tynes, and Sims had no trade value. Somebody out there will give a 2nd for Larry.

11-20-2008, 12:53 PM
cardken Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Trade LJ to N.E? It looks like Larry Johnson's days in KC are over, too many bridges have been burnt and his relationship with the organization seems tarnished. With that said, how would a trade for him to New England sound for a second round pick in this years draft. It seems logical because: KC has Jamaal Charles and Kolby Smith NE has been known to take chances on players (i.e. Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon) KC is young and rebuilding so draft picks are very valuable NE has San Diego's 2nd round pick in 2009 Laurence Maroney has not been able to carry the load for a whole season and would benefit from a joint backfield like in college (Marion Barber)
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11-21-2008, 10:18 AM	#48
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11-21-2008, 03:38 PM	#60
Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $492344	Why are so many people so damn negative all the time? The same people clammering that LJ has no trade value, are the same people that said Hall, Tynes, and Sims had no trade value. Somebody out there will give a 2nd for Larry.
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