Chiefs Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future - Page 4

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 04:15 PM

Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality.

I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them.

Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a sh*tty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around.

Seriously, it shouldn't take a ****n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for **** sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself.

I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this ****n sh*t!! When Herm was here, they signed these ****n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping.

Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, **** off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is ****n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sh*t they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be.

You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. There is no excuse for this bullsh*t that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap.

I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.

WildTurkey · 09-28-2009, 05:51 PM

Cheer up man... we are a few more 5tech's away from being awesome... can't wait till next years draft

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

Then you need to change allegiances, because the chances of Clark selling are near 0.

As I said, I expect them to produce sh*tty product for a long time. This whole philosophy, and mentality on how they're building a team just doesn't work.

I don't believe in this Patriot way its just to sell the fans, or the "right 53"

Micjones · 09-28-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

As I said, I expect them to produce sh*tty product for a long time. This whole philosophy, and mentality on how they're building a team just doesn't work.

I don't believe in this Patriot way its just to sell the fans, or the "right 53"

How exactly can we know when they haven't had much time to build it their way?
This is a football team who had for years been searching for a quality WR of their own.
We found one in Bowe, but how long had it been since we'd drafted a talented WR?

With that in mind... Think about how much more unsuccessful they've been identifying Offensive Line talent? Hell... We sold the O-Line out in an effort to build a great D-Line (which we STILL do not have)... And of those draft picks... Four aren't even with the team anymore, one is playing a new position, and the other is still trying to come into his own.

To jump ship this quickly is absolutely insane.
They've been dealt some pretty shitty cards.

Simplex3 · 09-28-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

As I said, I expect them to produce sh*tty product for a long time. This whole philosophy, and mentality on how they're building a team just doesn't work.

I don't believe in this Patriot way its just to sell the fans, or the "right 53"

Clark is 44. Unless you're significantly younger you'd be much better off switching teams. With the kinds of health care Clark is getting and his family history he's going to be around and in charge for a long, long time. Seriously, do yourself a favor and pick a team who's ownership you do like. Why waste your time and energy on shit like this?

Halfcan · 09-28-2009, 06:00 PM

clark hunt does not know shit about football

ChiefsCountry · 09-28-2009, 06:00 PM

Chiefs spent money this offseason, trouble was they blew it on a career backup QB and 3-4 end. You take the money they gave to Cassel and you could have added some nice pieces to the pie.

Brock · 09-28-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

clark hunt does not know shit about football

What NFL owner does?

ChiefsCountry · 09-28-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

What NFL owner does?

Al Davis used to.

Simplex3 · 09-28-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Chiefs spent money this offseason, trouble was they blew it on a career backup QB and 3-4 end. You take the money they gave to Cassel and you could have added some nice pieces to the pie.

Name them.

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

How exactly can we know when they haven't had much time to build it their way?

It's not the time factor. My point is, the operations are the same. When Lamar passed things became different. i don't ever recall Clark ever making splashes in FA to help build the team. A lot on here feel the draft is more important then FA. But, I still think that shouldn't neglect the fact FA is just as important because its part of building a team after all.

Im tying this all from Peterson to now. The Chiefs are cheap. They don't go out and sign premier guys that can clearly upgrade certain positions on the the team they're weak at.

You can have the best GM in the world, it don't matter. If your owner doesn't want to spend or isn't motivated enough to upgrade certain positions on the team. Then expect holes. People complain that the Chiefs have to many holes. Why? Do they fail to see the way they operate as a primary reason to why this team is so devoid in talent. I can't undestand the reason of complaints. Honestly, when you sign Mike Brown(injury prone), Mike Vrabel(at the verge of the end of his career), Zach Thomas(done), bobby Engram(nothing more then a slot receiver), Bobby Wade...NOBODY wants these guys.

As a result, you're not gonna have a better team. It just represents an example of Clarks cheap ways. But were told this is the right way.

The so called "Patriot way! And it's bullsh*t! complete ****n bullsh*t!!

Brock · 09-28-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Al Davis used to.

Sure, 30 years ago.

tonyetony · 09-28-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I don't mind if you do. I just don't think the thread starter can. After you do, I'm sure he'll quote your post and say "this" or something equally unoriginal.

Ok that argument seems to be over so let's start listing them.

Starting with Center:

I would have liked for us to sign Jeremy Newberry or Matt Birk.

What did we do? Resigned Niswanger of course.

ChiefsCountry · 09-28-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

Name them.

Jason Brown
Chris Canty
Igor Olansksy
Jim Leonard

Just a few off the top of my head. I need to pull up a post what I would do before free agency hit. I had a better list then.

I am actually more pissed off that abortion of draft we had, Cassel/Sanchez didnt matter which one we had still could have upgraded our OL in the draft, it was deep this year.

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony

Ok that argument seems to be over so let's start listing them.

Starting with Center:

I would have liked for us to sign Jeremy Newberry or Matt Birk.

What did we do? Resigned Niswanger of course.

thank you.

This is an example of what Im talking about? You got two players who are arguably better then Mr. junk Niswanger. And they resigned Niswanger? Why?

Oh wait I have the answer. Because it's right! Yes sir it is!!

Simplex3 · 09-28-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

It's not the time factor. My point is, the operations are the same. When Lamar passed things became different. i don't ever recall Clark ever making splashes in FA to help build the team. A lot on here feel the draft is more important then FA. But, I still think that shouldn't neglect the fact FA is just as important because its part of building a team after all.

Yes, it's how you build an old team stocked with overpaid and under-performing players. It's how you get into cap hell. It's how you get to where the Chiefs are today.

09-28-2009, 04:15 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality. I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them. Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a shtty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around. Seriously, it shouldn't take a *n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself. I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this *n sht!! When Herm was here, they signed these **n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping. Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is *n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sht they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be. You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sht. There is no excuse for this bullsht that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap. I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.
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