Football Tim Tebow is John Elway - Page 4

Mile High Mania · 01-05-2012, 11:43 AM

Rain Man ... stats are your game for sure. You enjoy what you're doing if it makes you feel better, the bulk of us saw the games. If you want to rank him up there with guys like Jim Everett - you have fun, buddy.

It's too silly for me to get caught up with it to be quite honest with you. You have a great skill for the spin. One thing that is funny is how you say his stats got better when he was surrounded by better players, suggesting that he no longer had to be the man or the best player on the team.

How about all those wins? Very consistent throughout his career... whether he was surrounded by "ok talent" or "great talent". Obviously the personal stats improve when you have better players around you.

Look how Marino's stats dropped later in his career, during the last 7-8 years. Marino didn't improve with age. No, as the team became a bit void of talent... and entering a more 'pass friendly era' in the NFL, Marino became less prolific... while Elway became more prolific.

Interesting when you peel back that onion.

Crush · 01-05-2012, 11:57 AM

Rain Man trolling Donkey fans? Awesome.

**RNR** · 01-05-2012, 03:22 PM

I have been around long enough to see quite a few QBs play. Elway was as good as any I have seen. Had Elway played for Bill Walsh he would have rewritten the record book. When the 9ers beat the Broncos 55-10 I said at the time and still believe if Elway would have been playing for the 49ers and Montana was playing for the the Broncos the score would have been much worse. I can only imagine what he would have done with the great Cowboy teams behind that line with the offensive weapons they had. I do know this much to compare Tebow and Elway is way beyond silly.

whoman69 · 01-05-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

I have been around long enough to see quite a few QBs play. Elway was as good as any I have seen. Had Elway played for Bill Walsh he would have rewritten the record book. When the 9ers beat the Broncos 55-10 I said at the time and still believe if Elway would have been playing for the 49ers and Montana was playing for the the Broncos the score would have been much worse. I can only imagine what he would have done with the great Cowboy teams behind that line with the offensive weapons they had. I do know this much to compare Tebow and Elway is way beyond silly.

Well...he was an average QB in Statis Pro Football.

Backwards Masking · 01-05-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Well...he was an average QB in Statis Pro Football.

and forever Ringless as the Number One Option. totally Ringless if you factor in the Crisco and the Cap Cheating.

**RNR** · 01-05-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Well...he was an average QB in Statis Pro Football.

Well I am not going to argue with a girl over it

sorry my friend and rival I still get a chuckle that "whoman" was mistaken for woman. I guess it is always a debate when these discussions take place. IMO that guy was something special and the only thing that exceeded my hate for him was my respect for his ability.

**Rain Man** · 01-05-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Well...he was an average QB in Statis Pro Football.

Oh, I loved that game.

TheGuardian · 01-05-2012, 04:00 PM

First off. Elway was NEVER EVER as good as Denver fans, or even a lot of KC fans, think or remember.

There are a few factors here.

One, the AFC was absolutely garbage for most of the 80's. Elway was the best of a shitty bunch. Big ****in deal. He got decimated in the three super bowls he played in before Shanahan came along and they cheated the cap and played borderline rule breaking schemes.

If Elway is going to be given all the credit for carrying those shit teams, then he'll take all the blame for getting his shit pushed in in those 3 super bowls. You can't have it both ways.

The fact is, Elway was not quite as good as Jim Kelly. If the Bills had won 2 or 3 of those SB's no one would really be having that discussion.

The years they went to the playoffs and super bowls, Denver generally had good defenses. Let's not kid ourselves.

The years they went to the playoffs before Rayboy arrived, when Elway was supposedly carrying that team the defense was ranked (in terms of points allowed....)

83 - 9th
84 - 2nd
86 - 15th
87 - 7th
89 - 1st
91- 3rd
93 - 10th

Let's stop ****ing about like Elway carried some god damn team. 6 of the 7 seasons they went to the playoffs Denver fielded a top 10 defense. Hell, three of those seasons they were top 3!

Elway built a legacy based on some 4th quarter comebacks. But the guy never carried a god damn team. It's stupid. Denver fans have their heads up their asses when it comes to Elway.

**RNR** · 01-05-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

First off. Elway was NEVER EVER as good as Denver fans, or even a lot of KC fans, think or remember.

There are a few factors here.

One, the AFC was absolutely garbage for most of the 80's. Elway was the best of a shitty bunch. Big ****in deal. He got decimated in the three super bowls he played in before Shanahan came along and they cheated the cap and played borderline rule breaking schemes.

If Elway is going to be given all the credit for carrying those shit teams, then he'll take all the blame for getting his shit pushed in in those 3 super bowls. You can't have it both ways.

The fact is, Elway was not quite as good as Jim Kelly. If the Bills had won 2 or 3 of those SB's no one would really be having that discussion.

The years they went to the playoffs and super bowls, Denver generally had good defenses. Let's not kid ourselves.

The years they went to the playoffs before Rayboy arrived, when Elway was supposedly carrying that team the defense was ranked (in terms of points allowed....)

83 - 9th
84 - 2nd
86 - 15th
87 - 7th
89 - 1st
91- 3rd
93 - 10th

Let's stop ****ing about like Elway carried some god damn team. 6 of the 7 seasons they went to the playoffs Denver fielded a top 10 defense. Hell, three of those seasons they were top 3!

Elway built a legacy based on some 4th quarter comebacks. But the guy never carried a god damn team. It's stupid. Denver fans have their heads up their asses when it comes to Elway.

Go ahead and list the Hall of Fame RBs, WRs, and OL he played with. Heck list the Pro Bowl players he played with on offense...you know that popularity contest they hold every year. Now list the All Pros he played with. All the other QBs he is compared with had vastly superior talent surrounding them.

TheGuardian · 01-05-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

Go ahead and list the Hall of Fame RBs, WRs, and OL he played with. Heck list the Pro Bowl players he played with on offense...you know that popularity contest they hold every year. Now list the All Pros he played with. All the other QBs he is compared with had vastly superior talent surrounding them.

I think you missed the part where I was talking about how he carried the TEAM. The defenses of those playoff years more than held up their end in helping to get that team to the post season.

**RNR** · 01-05-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I think you missed the part where I was talking about how he carried the TEAM. The defenses of those playoff years more than held up their end in helping to get that team to the post season.

So go ahead and list the Hall of Fame, Pro Bowl, and All Pro players on the defenses you speak of. You either did not get the chance to watch him due to age or you are a stats guy. Either way we will have to agree to disagree.

vailpass · 01-05-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

First off. Elway was NEVER EVER as good as Denver fans, or even a lot of KC fans, think or remember.

There are a few factors here.

One, the AFC was absolutely garbage for most of the 80's. Elway was the best of a shitty bunch. Big ****in deal. He got decimated in the three super bowls he played in before Shanahan came along and they cheated the cap and played borderline rule breaking schemes.

If Elway is going to be given all the credit for carrying those shit teams, then he'll take all the blame for getting his shit pushed in in those 3 super bowls. You can't have it both ways.

The fact is, Elway was not quite as good as Jim Kelly. If the Bills had won 2 or 3 of those SB's no one would really be having that discussion.

The years they went to the playoffs and super bowls, Denver generally had good defenses. Let's not kid ourselves.

The years they went to the playoffs before Rayboy arrived, when Elway was supposedly carrying that team the defense was ranked (in terms of points allowed....)

83 - 9th
84 - 2nd
86 - 15th
87 - 7th
89 - 1st
91- 3rd
93 - 10th

Let's stop ****ing about like Elway carried some god damn team. 6 of the 7 seasons they went to the playoffs Denver fielded a top 10 defense. Hell, three of those seasons they were top 3!

Elway built a legacy based on some 4th quarter comebacks. But the guy never carried a god damn team. It's stupid. Denver fans have their heads up their asses when it comes to Elway.

The dumb that oozes out of this post hurts us all. Posts like this are why we can't have nice things.

ChiefsCountry · 01-05-2012, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

First off. Elway was NEVER EVER as good as Denver fans, or even a lot of KC fans, think or remember.

There are a few factors here.

One, the AFC was absolutely garbage for most of the 80's. Elway was the best of a shitty bunch. Big ****in deal. He got decimated in the three super bowls he played in before Shanahan came along and they cheated the cap and played borderline rule breaking schemes.

If Elway is going to be given all the credit for carrying those shit teams, then he'll take all the blame for getting his shit pushed in in those 3 super bowls. You can't have it both ways.

The fact is, Elway was not quite as good as Jim Kelly. If the Bills had won 2 or 3 of those SB's no one would really be having that discussion.

The years they went to the playoffs and super bowls, Denver generally had good defenses. Let's not kid ourselves.

The years they went to the playoffs before Rayboy arrived, when Elway was supposedly carrying that team the defense was ranked (in terms of points allowed....)

83 - 9th
84 - 2nd
86 - 15th
87 - 7th
89 - 1st
91- 3rd
93 - 10th

Let's stop ****ing about like Elway carried some god damn team. 6 of the 7 seasons they went to the playoffs Denver fielded a top 10 defense. Hell, three of those seasons they were top 3!

Elway built a legacy based on some 4th quarter comebacks. But the guy never carried a god damn team. It's stupid. Denver fans have their heads up their asses when it comes to Elway.

Wow you really are a ****ing idiot.

Backwards Masking · 01-05-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Wow you really are a ****ing idiot.

you're supposedly a Chiefs Fan.... yet you're calling another Chiefs Fan an Idiot for telling the truth about Horseface being Overrated on a Chiefs message board.

not sure you're a Chiefs Fan at all now...

vailpass · 01-05-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

you're supposedly a Chiefs Fan.... yet you're calling another Chiefs Fan an Idiot for telling the truth about Horseface being Overrated on a Chiefs message board.

not sure you're a Chiefs Fan at all now...

Bobby Bell, Tony Gonzalez, Will Shields, Derrick Thomas were elite football players. I'm a Bronco and I have no problem with that. You can be a 'true fan' and not be a 'true retart'.

01-05-2012, 11:43 AM	#1
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $1067229	Rain Man ... stats are your game for sure. You enjoy what you're doing if it makes you feel better, the bulk of us saw the games. If you want to rank him up there with guys like Jim Everett - you have fun, buddy. It's too silly for me to get caught up with it to be quite honest with you. You have a great skill for the spin. One thing that is funny is how you say his stats got better when he was surrounded by better players, suggesting that he no longer had to be the man or the best player on the team. How about all those wins? Very consistent throughout his career... whether he was surrounded by "ok talent" or "great talent". Obviously the personal stats improve when you have better players around you. Look how Marino's stats dropped later in his career, during the last 7-8 years. Marino didn't improve with age. No, as the team became a bit void of talent... and entering a more 'pass friendly era' in the NFL, Marino became less prolific... while Elway became more prolific. Interesting when you peel back that onion. __________________
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TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6335299	First off. Elway was NEVER EVER as good as Denver fans, or even a lot of KC fans, think or remember. There are a few factors here. One, the AFC was absolutely garbage for most of the 80's. Elway was the best of a shitty bunch. Big **in deal. He got decimated in the three super bowls he played in before Shanahan came along and they cheated the cap and played borderline rule breaking schemes. If Elway is going to be given all the credit for carrying those shit teams, then he'll take all the blame for getting his shit pushed in in those 3 super bowls. You can't have it both ways. The fact is, Elway was not quite as good as Jim Kelly. If the Bills had won 2 or 3 of those SB's no one would really be having that discussion. The years they went to the playoffs and super bowls, Denver generally had good defenses. Let's not kid ourselves. The years they went to the playoffs before Rayboy arrived, when Elway was supposedly carrying that team the defense was ranked (in terms of points allowed....) 83 - 9th 84 - 2nd 86 - 15th 87 - 7th 89 - 1st 91- 3rd 93 - 10th Let's stop **ing about like Elway carried some god damn team. 6 of the 7 seasons they went to the playoffs Denver fielded a top 10 defense. Hell, three of those seasons they were top 3! Elway built a legacy based on some 4th quarter comebacks. But the guy never carried a god damn team. It's stupid. Denver fans have their heads up their asses when it comes to Elway.
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