Chiefs Would you pay Bowe $120-130M for 8 years? - Page 4

**jAZ** · 07-08-2012, 07:31 PM

According to...

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

RT @ChiefsOrioles12 Do the Chiefs get Bowe signed long term before the 16th? ... Doubt it. Believed to be seeking big-time money.

Which means...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...act-with-lions

Johnson is scheduled to earn close to $130 million over the next eight seasons, including $113.5 million over the final seven years of the deal, league sources told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora.

The contract includes $4.5 million in an existing roster bonus that's due on the final year of his rookie deal.

The deal also includes $53 million in guaranteed money, with Johnson's $1.25 million base salary in 2012 guaranteed, and $36 million due in signing and option bonuses. According to La Canfora, $11.5 million in future salary is guaranteed for injury only.

The contract makes Johnson -- who scorched the NFL with 96 catches for 1,681 yards and 16 touchdowns in 2011 -- the highest-paid wide receiver in league history, surpassing the eight-year, $120 million deal that Larry Fitzgerald signed with the Arizona Cardinals before last season.

qabbaan · 07-08-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That's pure speculation.

They're doing the same thing they did with Carr. They weren't interested in paying market for a second #1 CB. That's fine. They let him get to the open market, threw a lowball offer at him, but more or less chose to downgrade to someone older whom they thought was good enough. Ok, if that's your decision, but don't play the "aww shucks, we tried" card.

You don't let a young player in his prime at a premium position hit the open market if you're serious about resigning him. Makes no sense. Pioli isnt an idiot. The only logocal conclusion is that they don't feel paying the player market value is something they need to do to win.

They appear to be following the Patriot way of trying to win with above average players who fit a profile rather than superstars in their prime production years.

That's all well and good, except most of us are starting to see that the Patriot Way has more to with working near Brady and Belichick than Pioli having some kind of way to beat the system.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-08-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan

They're doing the same thing they did with Carr. They weren't interested in paying market for a second #1 CB. That's fine. They let him get to the open market, threw a lowball offer at him, but more or less chose to downgrade to someone older whom they thought was good enough. Ok, if that's your decision, but don't play the "aww shucks, we tried" card.

You don't let a young player in his prime at a premium position hit the open market if you're serious about resigning him. Makes no sense. Pioli isnt an idiot. The only logocal conclusion is that they don't feel paying the player market value is something they need to do to win.

They appear to be following the Patriot way of trying to win with above average players who fit a profile rather than superstars in their prime production years.

That's all well and good, except most of us are starting to see that the Patriot Way has more to with working near Brady and Belichick than Pioli having some kind of way to beat the system.

No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

Valiant · 07-08-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You can only franchise a player twice.

I thought it was 3 years, isnt that what is happening with brees?? franchised as a charger, now a saint, and they said one more time?

Rasputin · 07-08-2012, 08:19 PM

They over paid Cassel 63 million dollars.

Valiant · 07-08-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

What happens when/if Bowe does not sign?? Is it you do not pay for this position on a team with a bad QB?? The Chiefs had money to get both..

The you do not pay 2 #1's is not a valid argument anymore with the league turning into a passing happy league with the rules..

Mr. Laz · 07-08-2012, 08:21 PM

just pay him 300 million dollars and keep him!! He is the best WR in the history of the NFL, look at what he did with Cassle /CPtard

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-08-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

No NFL team pays top money for two 5-techniques.

Oh, wait.

milkman · 07-08-2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

I thought it was 3 years, isnt that what is happening with brees?? franchised as a charger, now a saint, and they said one more time?

I was mistaken, and have already been corrected.

Call me a dumbass and move on.

qabbaan · 07-08-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

I don't dispute that. The point was just that they were also not interested in retaining Carr unless it was at a steep discount. They tried to keep up appearances, but at the end of they day they have a salary range in mind for CB2 and he was out of their range.

I could be on board with it if we were using that savings to improve the team, but I'm guessing we won't see this.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-08-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan

They're doing the same thing they did with Carr. They weren't interested in paying market for a second #1 CB. That's fine. They let him get to the open market, threw a lowball offer at him, but more or less chose to downgrade to someone older whom they thought was good enough. Ok, if that's your decision, but don't play the "aww shucks, we tried" card.

You don't let a young player in his prime at a premium position hit the open market if you're serious about resigning him. Makes no sense. Pioli isnt an idiot. The only logocal conclusion is that they don't feel paying the player market value is something they need to do to win.

They appear to be following the Patriot way of trying to win with above average players who fit a profile rather than superstars in their prime production years.

That's all well and good, except most of us are starting to see that the Patriot Way has more to with working near Brady and Belichick than Pioli having some kind of way to beat the system.

Nailed it.

Sadly, some of those average players who fit a profile are making the money the playmakers should be making.

mcaj22 · 07-08-2012, 08:25 PM

there is only two scenarios with Bowe and the Chiefs. It's very simple.

1) They work on a long term deal, Bowe wants to play here, his agent and Pioli make it happen in terms of a long term deal. He may sign the franchise tender and then the couple months they have in the offseason a long term deal gets done then

or

2) He doesnt want to play here, signs the franchise tender, showcases his talents this year and then next years FA he walks. Chiefs will need to come to terms with if Bowes camp makes it clear they are stringing the Chiefs along to save face, they might have to trade him to get value out of him instead of nothing. (i.e. by the trade deadline.)

milkman · 07-08-2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

His play on the field justifies that level of pay.

Cassel and Jackson are just examples of where this organization is wasting money that could go to a deserving player.

We'll have to respectfully disagree.

But then, as good as Fitz and CJ are, I think they are overpaid.

That goes back to my original point.

The only player you overpay is a franchise QB.

Every other position is expendable.

And I am a fan of Bowe (and Carr).

Rasputin · 07-08-2012, 08:25 PM

Pay him or don't pay him, it is Pioli responsibility to put winning tallent on the field. We don't succeed in this off with his head.

Just Passin' By · 07-08-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

I think you'd have to list the Jets as a team paying top dollar for 2 corners.

milkman · 07-08-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Nailed it.

Sadly, some of those average players who fit a profile are making the money the playmakers should be making.

How did he nail it?

Carr got big time money from the Boys.
#1 corner money.

We have no idea what Pioli offered Carr, but I would bet top dollar he offered him a a contract that was equal to or better than the top #2 corners in the league.

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07-08-2012, 08:25 PM	#56
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	there is only two scenarios with Bowe and the Chiefs. It's very simple. 1) They work on a long term deal, Bowe wants to play here, his agent and Pioli make it happen in terms of a long term deal. He may sign the franchise tender and then the couple months they have in the offseason a long term deal gets done then or 2) He doesnt want to play here, signs the franchise tender, showcases his talents this year and then next years FA he walks. Chiefs will need to come to terms with if Bowes camp makes it clear they are stringing the Chiefs along to save face, they might have to trade him to get value out of him instead of nothing. (i.e. by the trade deadline.)
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07-08-2012, 08:25 PM	#58
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $235421	Pay him or don't pay him, it is Pioli responsibility to put winning tallent on the field. We don't succeed in this off with his head. __________________ "Those who don't believe in magic will never find it"
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