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Mr. Laz · 08-17-2012, 01:06 PM

Video captures Michigan man's shooting by police
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/us/mic...ing/index.html

From Jason Carroll and Sheila Steffen, CNN
updated 10:12 AM EDT, Fri August 17, 2012

Man killed by cops, shot multiple times

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Milton Hall was killed in a confrontation with police in Saginaw, Michigan
"It appeared to be a firing squad dressed in police uniforms," his mother says
Prosecutors and state police are investigating Hall's killing
His family says he was mentally ill and questions why the probe is taking so long

Saginaw, Michigan (CNN) -- Three days before Independence Day, Milton Hall died in a fusillade of police gunfire outside a strip mall.
He had been arguing with officers in a parking lot next to a shuttered Chinese restaurant when he was shot, in full view of passing motorists and while he was holding some sort of knife. Saginaw County Prosecutor Michael Thomas said later that the squad of police confronting him opened fire "because apparently, at this point in time, he was threatening to assault police."

Thomas' office and the Michigan State Police are investigating Hall's death. Saginaw Police Chief Gerald Cliff said Hall was "known to be an assaultive person" with "a long history" of contacts with law enforcement, "not only with police from our department but with the county."
Hall's cousin, Mike Washington, acknowledged Hall had been jailed for minor offenses like vagrancy in the past, but, "He was not violent." And Hall's mother is growing impatient with the probe and questions why police opened fire so furiously on her son, whom she said was mentally ill.

The chart blog: Mental health

"It appeared to be a firing squad dressed in police uniforms," Jewel Hall told CNN from her hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico. "There was another way. They did not have to kill him. He had not done anything. He was not violent. He was not a murderer. He was not a criminal."
Jewel Hall said her son had once trained as a civil right activist, been an avid reader and played football. He had lived in Saginaw for 35 years and received Social Security disability payments for a mental illness, but, "He knew his rights."

"Everybody knew him. The police knew him well," she said. "So that's another question: they knew him, so why? Why did they kill him?"

WJRT: Community questions police shooting

The July 1 shooting happened in a parking lot on West Genessee Avenue, a busy commercial strip on the north side of Saginaw. In a video purchased by CNN, shot by a motorist from across the street, the 49-year-old Hall is seen arguing with a half-dozen officers. For more than three minutes, he walks back and forth, and at one time appears to crouch in a "karate stance," according to the man who captured the scene.

Police said Hall had just had a run-in with a convenience store clerk. On the video, he tells police, "My name is Milton Hall, I just called 911. My name is Milton, and I'm p---ed off." When an officer tells him to put the knife down, he responds, "I ain't putting s--t down." He appears unimpressed by a police dog, telling officers, "Let him go. Let the motherf---ing dog go."

Finally, he turns to the left of the frame, where another officer had moved out of view a short time earlier. It's then that the police open fire with a reported 46 shots in a five-second hail of bullets.
"I'm stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots," Jewel Hall said. "I just don't understand that. It's a lot of pain in that because it only takes one shot, so the question is why?"

She questioned why none of the cameras in the police cars at the scene recorded the shooting -- "none of them work."

"So that's the question I have and the community has is, what's taking so long?" she said. "Why is not being transparent?"

Lou Palumbo, a former Long Island police officer, told CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" that the video is "a perceptive nightmare" for a police department and could reflect a lack of training by the officers.

"This wasn't a scenario where he was discharging a weapon in their direction," he said.

But Palumbo added that the shooting may yet be determined to be justifiable. "One of the things the public has to understand, an individual wielding a knife at you at about 20 feet can be on top of you in a split second," he said. "The public doesn't know this because they don't do this for a living."

Neither state police nor the prosecutor's office would comment on the investigation. In a written statement to CNN, the state police said, "Our focus is on conducting a complete and thorough investigation, rather than a hasty one."

But Saginaw City Councilman Norman Braddock, who also has criticized the pace of the investigation, said the probe should be a "top priority."
When CNN showed Braddock the video, which he hadn't seen before, he said, "This is disturbing."

"I can see what people are traumatized at, looking at something like that," Braddock said. "We need answers."

Jewel Hall said her family is conducting its own investigation into the shooting, "and at the end of that investigation we will decide what next steps to take with our legal advisors."

jd1020 · 08-17-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan

Deadly force is deadly force. If someone decides to use it, there is no "amount" of deadly force that is justified. It's either justified or it isn't. One shot or a hundred are the same.

My question is just, why didn't they tase him instead. Tasers are for this situation, where it's too dangerous to subdue some violent nut job without using deadly force.

Because the dude was wielding a knife? Just how far away do you think you can taze someone from?

tooge · 08-17-2012, 02:03 PM

I once shot a man 46 times in Reno.......

FlaChief58 · 08-17-2012, 02:03 PM

Note to self: While in Saginaw Michigan, do not **** with the cops!

jd1020 · 08-17-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

You're right because unlike Hollywood a single shot will make most people curl up on the ground and cry.

I know because i have been shot.

have you?

Cops dont aim for legs, arms, or heads you dumbass. They aim for the largest area... the torso.

qabbaan · 08-17-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Because the dude was wielding a knife? Just how far away do you think you can taze someone from?

The police version of the Taser brand weapon is 21 feet.

**Donger** · 08-17-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

absolutely no reason to shoot a guy 30+ times after he dropped like a stone after the 1st shot. None.

I don;t know if what someone said earlier is accurate (about emptying the magazine), but it seems like after the first shot was fired, they all got an adrenaline charge.

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Originally Posted by Laz

I didn't see the guy make any significant move towards anyone.

Define significant.

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Originally Posted by Laz

a single shot the the leg would of be enough, if not a single shot to the kneecap.

I don't think these cops are quite the shooters that DEVGRU are.

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Originally Posted by Laz

The fact that they ALL shot in unison should be enough to prove intent and get them fired.

Not true. There is a distinct single shot fired first. Then they all join in.

Mr. Laz · 08-17-2012, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

Because the dude was wielding a knife? Just how far away do you think you can taze someone from?

20 feet for old version of taser
30 feet for new version of taser

if the dude was further away then that then the officers were not any real danger from a knife.

mcaj22 · 08-17-2012, 02:06 PM

Michigan - guy with knife, kills nobody, gets shot 46 times

Colorado - guy shoots up movie theater, kills people, doesnt get shot/gets captured alive.

Demonpenz · 08-17-2012, 02:07 PM

I saw this documentery called Desperado where a dude was accurately throwning knives

**Donger** · 08-17-2012, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qabbaan

The police version of the Taser brand weapon is 21 feet.

On a moving target?

vailpass · 08-17-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Single shot to the leg. This aint Hollywood.

Exactly. Police are trained to go chest. This isn't Hollywood.

**Donger** · 08-17-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

Michigan - guy with knife, kills nobody, gets shot 46 times

Colorado - guy shoots up movie theater, kills people, doesnt get shot/gets captured alive.

The Colorado prick didn't resist arrest.

Mr. Laz · 08-17-2012, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

Cops dont aim for legs, arms, or heads you dumbass. They aim for the largest area... the torso.

GFY

in a reasonably controlled situation like on the video, the clearly had time to have 1 shooter be selective about his shot.

You just don't care because it's not you.

jd1020 · 08-17-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

GFY

in a reasonably controlled situation like on the video, the clearly had time to have 1 shooter be selective about his shot.

You just don't care because it's not you.

If it was me I would have dropped the ****ing knife. You're just an idiot who wants to trash cops, or "pigs" as you probably like to call them, any chance you get.

Show me the youtube video's of the cops who beat the shit out of kids skateboarding, not harming anyone, and I'll point to that cop as someone who needs to be removed immediately.

Show me the youtube video of the female police officer bashing a guys head in with a baton while the male officer has him on the ground and I'll point to that cop as someone who needs to be removed immediately.

Show me a video of some nut job holding a knife and refusing to drop it and moving towards officers get shot 30+ times and I'll not shed a tear.

Amnorix · 08-17-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

The Colorado prick didn't resist arrest.

Yeah too bad. I would've been fine with 30 shots at that ****er.

08-17-2012, 01:06 PM
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Saginaw County Prosecutor Michael Thomas said later that the squad of police confronting him opened fire "because apparently, at this point in time, he was threatening to assault police." Thomas' office and the Michigan State Police are investigating Hall's death. Saginaw Police Chief Gerald Cliff said Hall was "known to be an assaultive person" with "a long history" of contacts with law enforcement, "not only with police from our department but with the county." Hall's cousin, Mike Washington, acknowledged Hall had been jailed for minor offenses like vagrancy in the past, but, "He was not violent." And Hall's mother is growing impatient with the probe and questions why police opened fire so furiously on her son, whom she said was mentally ill. The chart blog: Mental health "It appeared to be a firing squad dressed in police uniforms," Jewel Hall told CNN from her hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico. "There was another way. They did not have to kill him. He had not done anything. He was not violent. He was not a murderer. He was not a criminal." Jewel Hall said her son had once trained as a civil right activist, been an avid reader and played football. He had lived in Saginaw for 35 years and received Social Security disability payments for a mental illness, but, "He knew his rights." "Everybody knew him. The police knew him well," she said. "So that's another question: they knew him, so why? Why did they kill him?" WJRT: Community questions police shooting The July 1 shooting happened in a parking lot on West Genessee Avenue, a busy commercial strip on the north side of Saginaw. In a video purchased by CNN, shot by a motorist from across the street, the 49-year-old Hall is seen arguing with a half-dozen officers. For more than three minutes, he walks back and forth, and at one time appears to crouch in a "karate stance," according to the man who captured the scene. Police said Hall had just had a run-in with a convenience store clerk. On the video, he tells police, "My name is Milton Hall, I just called 911. My name is Milton, and I'm p---ed off." When an officer tells him to put the knife down, he responds, "I ain't putting s--t down." He appears unimpressed by a police dog, telling officers, "Let him go. Let the motherf---ing dog go." Finally, he turns to the left of the frame, where another officer had moved out of view a short time earlier. It's then that the police open fire with a reported 46 shots in a five-second hail of bullets. "I'm stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots," Jewel Hall said. "I just don't understand that. It's a lot of pain in that because it only takes one shot, so the question is why?" She questioned why none of the cameras in the police cars at the scene recorded the shooting -- "none of them work." "So that's the question I have and the community has is, what's taking so long?" she said. "Why is not being transparent?" Lou Palumbo, a former Long Island police officer, told CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" that the video is "a perceptive nightmare" for a police department and could reflect a lack of training by the officers. "This wasn't a scenario where he was discharging a weapon in their direction," he said. But Palumbo added that the shooting may yet be determined to be justifiable. "One of the things the public has to understand, an individual wielding a knife at you at about 20 feet can be on top of you in a split second," he said. "The public doesn't know this because they don't do this for a living." Neither state police nor the prosecutor's office would comment on the investigation. In a written statement to CNN, the state police said, "Our focus is on conducting a complete and thorough investigation, rather than a hasty one." But Saginaw City Councilman Norman Braddock, who also has criticized the pace of the investigation, said the probe should be a "top priority." When CNN showed Braddock the video, which he hadn't seen before, he said, "This is disturbing." "I can see what people are traumatized at, looking at something like that," Braddock said. "We need answers." Jewel Hall said her family is conducting its own investigation into the shooting, "and at the end of that investigation we will decide what next steps to take with our legal advisors."
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