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Mr_Tomahawk · 10-24-2012, 11:53 AM

Who will be the Chiefs starting quarterback in 2013?

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/chiefs...erback-in-2013

After making the decision to name Brady Quinn as the starting quarterback for the rest of the season I believe there's a much better chance the Chiefs draft a quarterback in the first round of the 2013 NFL draft. I know that it's just October and we have 10 games left in the season but it's where we're at right now in regards to the position.

As we sit here today I believe there are five possibilities as to who will be under center for the Chiefs when we take the field in 2013. It's not to assume the team will continue to lose and get a top pick, but even winning a handful of games I would still think doing whatever is needed to grab one of the top quarterbacks in the draft would be a priority.

#1. Matt Cassel

I just riled up 1,276 people just 141 words into this article. In full disclosure I did support Matt Cassel from the beginning and I even thought he would have a great season this year with all of the moves the Chiefs made in the off-season. Even those who weren't fans of Cassel could not have seen this kind of season coming and if you say you did see this coming, well then, I just don't believe you. To expect his worst season in a Chiefs uniform after the team made upgrades doesn't make sense to me. But here we are and a change was needed, and made.

#2. Brady Quinn

What are the chances that Quinn just comes out and earns a new contract and takes over as the starting quarterback for the Chiefs for the next few seasons? Probably not very likely although I know there are some Kool-Aid drinkers out there that believe this might happen. Calm down and don't operate a vehicle when you're hopped up on that stuff because it's got to be strong. (Sorry Joel)

Now we're getting into what I would call the 'more likely territory'. Considering I am not someone who follows college football as closely as others I brought in SB Nation's draft expert Dan Kadar (@MockingTheDraft) to help break down the top three quarterbacks in the 2013 draft as we sit here today. Here's what he had to say about each of these quarterbacks.

#3 Tyler Wilson - 6'3 - 220lbs - Arkansas

Strengths: The first thing that should be note about Wilson is his toughness. He's the kind of quarterback who will play through an injury. He stands tall in the pocket when there's pressure surrounding him. Possesses a strong arm. Looks to have good pocket presence to feel blind side pressure.

Weaknesses: Wilson's toughness is admirable, but it can get him in trouble. He seems to always have a small injury. Sometimes he needs to just get rid of the ball instead of staying in the pocket, throwing and being hit hard. Will sometimes put the ball in bad spots. Likes to move around in the pocket, but it leads to him throwing off balance a lot. Doesn't put a lot of touch on short throws. Full-time starter for just two seasons.

#4 Matt Barkley - 6'2 - 230lbs - USC

Strengths: By in large, Barkley is an excellent intangibles quarterback. He's often credited for his leadership. He stuck around at a previously sanctioned USC when he could have been a first-round pick this year. His numbers aren't at last season's pace, but he's still having a good year and completing almost 66 percent of his throws. He's coming out of a pro-style offense that would make him well-suited for a West Coast scheme. He's a four-year starter. I have him so highly rated because he gets excellent ball placement. He really improved there this season compared to last. He can work the whole field.

Weaknesses: Size has always been a key issue with Barkley. He's listed at 6-foot-2, but most expect him to officially measure shorter. There are also issues with his arm strength, though that may be more of a product of the USC scheme. But most of Barkley's throws are 15 yards or less, with his wide receivers getting a lot of yards after catch. He also benefits from having maybe the best wide receiver group in the nation.

#5 - Geno Smith - 6'3 - 214 lbs - West Virginia

Strengths: Smith is completing an extremely high percentage of his passes this season because he figured out how to hit deep out passes. His precision on those throws has been impressive. He's said he doesn't like to use it, but Smith is a good athlete to elude pressure. He has the arm strength to hit everywhere on the field. Seems to always hit receivers in stride so they can make a play after the catch.

Weaknesses: Evaluators will have to determine how much the fast-paced offense is benefiting Smith and whether or not it will translate to the NFL. The Patriots have taken some of the WVU principles and used them in their two-minute offense, so maybe it can work well in the pros. Until Brandon Weeden, most quarterbacks from the Dana Holgorsen scheme haven't translated well, and it's even early to be optimistic about Weeden. Plays in a shotgun, so there will be questions about his footwork on drop backs. Doesn't have to go through a lot of route reads. Smith has a slight frame as well, so he may not have the body like Barkley to take hits.

Dan summed up his thoughts on the three quarterbacks.

Right now, I have Barkley and Smith as first-round picks.Wilson probably late second. Obviously that's a fluid thing and will be throughout the season and during the Senior Bowl process. None of these players is an Andrew Luck. Barkley and Smith are probably closer to Sam Bradford – possibly a very good player but with questions. Wilson may need more development time to get rid of his bad tendencies.

Although all of these players still have question marks the good news is that each of them still have big games ahead of them this season. Matt Barkley still has to play Oregon and Notre Dame, Tyler Wilson has South Carolina, Mississippi State and LSU left to play, and Geno Smith still has a huge game against Oklahoma. Those games will tell us a lot about how these guys will separate themselves.

What do you say AP?

suds79 · 10-24-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

people that don't like Barkley don't like him because he's short and has a barely adequate NFL arm.

Yep. That's why he's 3rd on my list. Not exactly a guy you have to guard the whole field against.

Woodchuck · 10-24-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan

Smith or Death.

That's the feeling I get from SNR too. I think he made a comment like it would be a great QB class if it weren't for Barkley and Wilson or something like that. Has the thought crossed you mind that we probably won't get him?

How much do you follow the draft? How many guys do you pick right in your mock? Even the best guys at mock drafts around here? How many do they get? How about Mayock and Kiper? How do they do?

Chances are we won't get Smith. You guys need to start finding things to like about all three QBs and hope we get one of them.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-24-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

That's the feeling I get from SNR too. I think he made a comment like it would be a great QB class if it weren't for Barkley and Wilson or something like that. Has the thought crossed you mind that we probably won't get him?

How much do you follow the draft? How many guys do you pick right in your mock? Even the best guys at mock drafts around here? How many do they get? How about Mayock and Kiper? How do they do?

Chances are we won't get Smith. You guys need to start finding things to like about all three QBs and hope we get one of them.

Of COURSE we won't get Smith. This is the ****ing Chiefs, and OF COURSE I have learned to deal with both disappointment and a bunch of jackasses who over the years have shown that they don't know thier dicks from a stick.

But until then, I can and will dream that MAYBE, just MAYBE we might do something RIGHT for a ****ing change.

Chiefnj2 · 10-24-2012, 01:36 PM

Food for thought (yes I know surrounding talent isn't the same) against Texas Tech and K State:

Geno 57.4% 209 yard/avg 4.8 y/a and 2TD to 2 INT

Jones 63.8%, 281.5 yards/avg 6.78 y/a and 3 TD to 1 INT

Titty Meat · 10-24-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

****...you and Billay are making me look like a dick here.

Barkley is most assuredly not Cassel. No, he doesn't stare WRs down. In fact, I've noticed that he generally goes through his progressions quite well. The only thing that gives that appearance is that his #1 read is usually open.

And c'mon, everyone gets happy feet at times. Barkley's actually appeared to be a little above average in that regard. He's certainly not Blaine Gabbert or Matt Cassel. He'll stand in to take a hit and deliver the ball.

His arm strength is no better than average, but it's an easier arm strength than Cassel's. He doesn't require the long wind-up that Cassel does to generate his average arm strength. His release is generally quick enough and repeatable enough that he can be accurate on intermediate balls and tolerable on deep(ish) passes.

He has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as Matt Schaub. He's a good, not great, QB prospect.

Matt Barkley is not Matt Cassel.

And if you find yourself in bed with Billay, you should really reconsider your position.

First of all **** you. You might write long paragraphs but you are just as wrong on things as I am.

Second of all as I already stated I was kidding.

Third I started the Blow4Barkley thread

Fourth Go **** yourself

ToxSocks · 10-24-2012, 01:40 PM

If i had to pick one, I'd take Tyler Wilson.

I think Geno Smith has the highest bust factor. The more i watch him, the more i think he's fools gold.

Lots of short passes going for big gainers, he holds onto the ball waaaay too long...He has tons of upside, throws a great ball, good arm strength...but I've seen Tyler Wilson do things that he'll have to do in the NFL that i haven't seen Geno Smith do.

ToxSocks · 10-24-2012, 01:42 PM

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-24-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

If i had to pick one, I'd take Tyler Wilson.

I think Geno Smith has the highest bust factor. The more i watch him, the more i think he's fools gold.

Lots of short passes going for big gainers, he holds onto the ball waaaay too long...He has tons of upside, throws a great ball, good arm strength...but I've seen Tyler Wilson do things that he'll have to do in the NFL that i haven't seen Geno Smith do.

Goddamnit Detoxing, when did the Full reerun set in? You were not like this once...

DJ's left nut · 10-24-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

First of all **** you. You might write long paragraphs but you are just as wrong on things as I am.

Second of all as I already stated I was kidding.

Third I started the Blow4Barkley thread

Fourth Go **** yourself

Well you hadn't confessed your sins before I started typing.

Moreover, I'm not just as wrong on things as you are. I'm generally right. You aren't. For instance, your assertion that I wrote long paragraphs - those paragraphs are 4, 4 and 3 sentences long and likely somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-50 words.

At worst, they are normal length paragraphs.

Some of us have found ways to express ourselves as adults and expound upon our thoughts. This often involves using complete sentences, punctuation, and yes - the Enter key.

You can't even be a useful smartass.

Titty Meat · 10-24-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Well you hadn't confessed your sins before I started typing.

Moreover, I'm not just as wrong on things as you are. I'm generally right. You aren't. For instance, your assertion that I wrote long paragraphs - those paragraphs are 4, 4 and 3 sentences long and likely somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-50 words.

At worst, they are normal length paragraphs.

Some of us have found ways to express ourselves as adults and expound upon our thoughts. This often involves using complete sentences, punctuation, and yes - the Enter key.

You can't even be a useful smartass.

I was referring to football takes.

Type away sweetheart.

Iconic · 10-24-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

****...you and Billay are making me look like a dick here.

Barkley is most assuredly not Cassel. No, he doesn't stare WRs down. In fact, I've noticed that he generally goes through his progressions quite well. The only thing that gives that appearance is that his #1 read is usually open.

And c'mon, everyone gets happy feet at times. Barkley's actually appeared to be a little above average in that regard. He's certainly not Blaine Gabbert or Matt Cassel. He'll stand in to take a hit and deliver the ball.

His arm strength is no better than average, but it's an easier arm strength than Cassel's. He doesn't require the long wind-up that Cassel does to generate his average arm strength. His release is generally quick enough and repeatable enough that he can be accurate on intermediate balls and tolerable on deep(ish) passes.

He has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as Matt Schaub. He's a good, not great, QB prospect.

Matt Barkley is not Matt Cassel.

And if you find yourself in bed with Billay, you should really reconsider your position.

I'm not saying Barkley is Cassel; just his flaws are VERY similar to Cassels.

I have absolutely no idea how you can say Barkley goes through his progressions. His first read is open around 75%, so he rarely ever goes through it in the first place and when he does, he completely falls apart. He forces throws even when the first read is blanketed ( much like Cassel) and if the route takes time to develop he either mistimes his throw or starts having a ****ing staring contest with his number 1 and the defender. Let's not forget how spoiled Barkley is with an awesome O-line/wide receiving core- something I doubt he will have if he's drafted as high as everyone thinks he will be.

The thing is Barkley's relies heavily on his pre-snap reads, which are usually brilliant, but, if his first read isn’t open, he begins to worry about the blitz. He hops around the pocket like a frog. If he ever feels he has held the ball too long he’ll throw off his back foot, that remind you of someone? He doesn't really excel in the fourth quarter either, which is where most of his rushed throws come from.

I can agree with you on arm strength but I'm tired of a guy with just a 'tolerable deep ball'. I want a Geno Smith deep ball.

... And comparing Barkley to Schaub? I feel like you're really discrediting Schaub. Barkley is more of a Blaine Gabbert.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-24-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

I'm not saying Barkley is Cassel; just his flaws are VERY similar to Cassels.

I have absolutely no idea how you can say Barkley goes through his progressions. His first read is open around 75%, so he rarely ever goes through it in the first place and when he does, he completely falls apart. He forces throws even when the first read is blanketed ( much like Cassel) and if the route takes time to develop he either mistimes his throw or starts having a ****ing staring contest with his number 1 and the defender. Let's not forget how spoiled Barkley is with an awesome O-line/wide receiving core- something I doubt he will have if he's drafted as high as everyone thinks he will be.

The thing is Barkley's relies heavily on his pre-snap reads, which are usually brilliant, but, if his first read isn’t open, he begins to worry about the blitz. He hops around the pocket like a frog. If he ever feels he has held the ball too long he’ll throw off his back foot, that remind you of someone? He doesn't really excel in the fourth quarter either, which is where most of his rushed throws come from.

I can agree with you on arm strength but I'm tired of a guy with just a 'tolerable deep ball'. I want a Geno Smith deep ball.

... And comparing Barkley to Schaub? I feel like you're really discrediting Schaub. Barkley is more of a Blaine Gabbert.

Goin' Balls Deep with Smith in 2013!@

Titty Meat · 10-24-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I'd take any of those guys but Wilson is the guy I question the most.

**RealSNR** · 10-24-2012, 01:58 PM

I don't like Barkley because the dude's already balding like a mother****er at what? Age 22? By the time he starts a game in the NFL he'll be more bald than Patrick ****ing Stewart.

ToxSocks · 10-24-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan

Goddamnit Detoxing, when did the Full reerun set in? You were not like this once...

Meh.

I think Geno Smith has more talent and throws a better ball. I think Geno has a much higher ceiling.

But I think Geno also has more obstacles to over come when entering the NFL.

10-24-2012, 11:53 AM
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $2780526	Who will be the Chiefs starting quarterback in 2013? Who will be the Chiefs starting quarterback in 2013? http://www.arrowheadpride.com/chiefs...erback-in-2013 After making the decision to name Brady Quinn as the starting quarterback for the rest of the season I believe there's a much better chance the Chiefs draft a quarterback in the first round of the 2013 NFL draft. I know that it's just October and we have 10 games left in the season but it's where we're at right now in regards to the position. As we sit here today I believe there are five possibilities as to who will be under center for the Chiefs when we take the field in 2013. It's not to assume the team will continue to lose and get a top pick, but even winning a handful of games I would still think doing whatever is needed to grab one of the top quarterbacks in the draft would be a priority. #1. Matt Cassel I just riled up 1,276 people just 141 words into this article. In full disclosure I did support Matt Cassel from the beginning and I even thought he would have a great season this year with all of the moves the Chiefs made in the off-season. Even those who weren't fans of Cassel could not have seen this kind of season coming and if you say you did see this coming, well then, I just don't believe you. To expect his worst season in a Chiefs uniform after the team made upgrades doesn't make sense to me. But here we are and a change was needed, and made. #2. Brady Quinn What are the chances that Quinn just comes out and earns a new contract and takes over as the starting quarterback for the Chiefs for the next few seasons? Probably not very likely although I know there are some Kool-Aid drinkers out there that believe this might happen. Calm down and don't operate a vehicle when you're hopped up on that stuff because it's got to be strong. (Sorry Joel) Now we're getting into what I would call the 'more likely territory'. Considering I am not someone who follows college football as closely as others I brought in SB Nation's draft expert Dan Kadar (@MockingTheDraft) to help break down the top three quarterbacks in the 2013 draft as we sit here today. Here's what he had to say about each of these quarterbacks. #3 Tyler Wilson - 6'3 - 220lbs - Arkansas Strengths: The first thing that should be note about Wilson is his toughness. He's the kind of quarterback who will play through an injury. He stands tall in the pocket when there's pressure surrounding him. Possesses a strong arm. Looks to have good pocket presence to feel blind side pressure. Weaknesses: Wilson's toughness is admirable, but it can get him in trouble. He seems to always have a small injury. Sometimes he needs to just get rid of the ball instead of staying in the pocket, throwing and being hit hard. Will sometimes put the ball in bad spots. Likes to move around in the pocket, but it leads to him throwing off balance a lot. Doesn't put a lot of touch on short throws. Full-time starter for just two seasons. #4 Matt Barkley - 6'2 - 230lbs - USC Strengths: By in large, Barkley is an excellent intangibles quarterback. He's often credited for his leadership. He stuck around at a previously sanctioned USC when he could have been a first-round pick this year. His numbers aren't at last season's pace, but he's still having a good year and completing almost 66 percent of his throws. He's coming out of a pro-style offense that would make him well-suited for a West Coast scheme. He's a four-year starter. I have him so highly rated because he gets excellent ball placement. He really improved there this season compared to last. He can work the whole field. Weaknesses: Size has always been a key issue with Barkley. He's listed at 6-foot-2, but most expect him to officially measure shorter. There are also issues with his arm strength, though that may be more of a product of the USC scheme. But most of Barkley's throws are 15 yards or less, with his wide receivers getting a lot of yards after catch. He also benefits from having maybe the best wide receiver group in the nation. #5 - Geno Smith - 6'3 - 214 lbs - West Virginia Strengths: Smith is completing an extremely high percentage of his passes this season because he figured out how to hit deep out passes. His precision on those throws has been impressive. He's said he doesn't like to use it, but Smith is a good athlete to elude pressure. He has the arm strength to hit everywhere on the field. Seems to always hit receivers in stride so they can make a play after the catch. Weaknesses: Evaluators will have to determine how much the fast-paced offense is benefiting Smith and whether or not it will translate to the NFL. The Patriots have taken some of the WVU principles and used them in their two-minute offense, so maybe it can work well in the pros. Until Brandon Weeden, most quarterbacks from the Dana Holgorsen scheme haven't translated well, and it's even early to be optimistic about Weeden. Plays in a shotgun, so there will be questions about his footwork on drop backs. Doesn't have to go through a lot of route reads. Smith has a slight frame as well, so he may not have the body like Barkley to take hits. Dan summed up his thoughts on the three quarterbacks. Right now, I have Barkley and Smith as first-round picks.Wilson probably late second. Obviously that's a fluid thing and will be throughout the season and during the Senior Bowl process. None of these players is an Andrew Luck. Barkley and Smith are probably closer to Sam Bradford – possibly a very good player but with questions. Wilson may need more development time to get rid of his bad tendencies. Although all of these players still have question marks the good news is that each of them still have big games ahead of them this season. Matt Barkley still has to play Oregon and Notre Dame, Tyler Wilson has South Carolina, Mississippi State and LSU left to play, and Geno Smith still has a huge game against Oklahoma. Those games will tell us a lot about how these guys will separate themselves. What do you say AP?
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10-24-2012, 01:40 PM	#51
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