Chiefs The Myth of Glenn Dorsey - Page 4

Sorter · 10-29-2012, 10:29 AM

I continually hear via radio and occasionally here that Dorsey would be better in a 1-gap scheme and/or a 4-3 base front.

This is a myth. On our sub packages, our two DTs (Poe and Bailey) play a 3-tech and a shaded 2-tech or 1-tech. People complaining that Dorsey just needs to be turned loose and enabled to attack the passer need to realize that if Dorsey was able to do those things, he would have been starting in our sub-package since he was drafted.

The fact is, Dorsey simply hasn't and won't meet the expectations that he received when drafted in the top 5. That isn't due to scheme or philosophies, IMO. If he was good enough to rush the passer from the several DT techniques that most 4-3 teams run, he would be starting on our sub packages and been productive.

This isn't shocking news to most but I thought it might be thread worthy because of the bitching I continually hear about Dorsey and how we might receive a pick for trading him.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-29-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

it doesnt matter who i wanted. you made the statement not me.

Gholston?

mcaj22 · 10-29-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Gholston?

now i am stupid. but i am not that stupid

**HemiEd** · 10-29-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

What does that have to do with Dorsey?

I don't recall anyone being too upset over the pick.

It was the obvious choice. Or Sedrick Ellis.

In hindsight, Joe Flacco.

Exactly, this place was elated, just like they were when DJ was drafted and Eric Berry. Tyson Jackson and Hali, not so much.

mcaj22 · 10-29-2012, 12:02 PM

jon baldwin not so much

dontari poe not so much

and dexter mccluster... this place was hilarious when he was picked

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-29-2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

now i am stupid. but i am not that stupid

Who did you want? Confess.

I really liked Dorsey. He's a bust. I'm over it.

I also liked Ellis.

If you say Flacco, you're lying.

**HemiEd** · 10-29-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

jon baldwin not so much

dontari poe not so much

and dexter mccluster... this place was hilarious when he was picked

We can rehash the selection of players all we want, but they are not the main problem right now.

This team currently has a horendous disease, that has infected all of them, and it is Romeo Crennel. In fact, I am confused how he was even successful as a DC.

I am not sure it is curable by just replacing Crennel and Pioli as far as it has gone.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-29-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

jon baldwin not so much

dontari poe not so much

and dexter mccluster... this place was hilarious when he was picked

I liked Baldwin. Difficult to evaluate with shitty QBs.

I don't know about Poe. It's not too late for him if we can get some good coaching in here.

Dex, I assumed he was going to be a Welker-type. They still don't know what to do with him. He hasn't excelled at either position. He means exactly squat to me at this point.

Sorter · 10-29-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

We can rehash the selection of players all we want, but they are not the main problem right now.

This team currently has a horendous disease, that has infected all of them, and it is Romeo Crennel. In fact, I am confused how he was even successful as a DC.

I am not sure it is curable by just replacing Crennel and Pioli as far as it has gone.

Romeo's defense is successful when the offense has sustained drives, eliminates the run entirely, and can get a pass rush from their interior rushers in their sub-package.

None of these things have happened except for in 2 games.

Woodchuck · 10-29-2012, 12:12 PM

There is a really bad ass DE from LSU that will probably go in the top 10 this year. His name is Sam Montgomery. Will the next GM carry the torch?

Sorter · 10-29-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

I liked Baldwin. Difficult to evaluate with shitty QBs.

I don't know about Poe. It's not too late for him if we can get some good coaching in here.

Dex, I assumed he was going to be a Welker-type. They still don't know what to do with him. He hasn't excelled at either position. He means exactly squat to me at this point.

Baldwin- could be an adequate #2 who can stretch the field with an above average QB. Struggles to gain separation and is limited to digs, slants, back shoulder, and 9 (fly) routes IMO. Because of that, you could potentially get him to be adequate at deep outs playing flanker or split-end if teams are giving him respect deep. However, it is unlikely IMO.

Poe- could still be an excellnt 1-gap NT and play the 3,2, and 1 tech in sub packages. Needs to learn how to play with a lower pad level, maintain good footwork, and keep his feet driving when executing a bull-rush from the interior. Needs a lot of work.

Dex- can be effective as a 5th receiving option or maybe a 3rd down back. Isn't fast and needs to bulk up significantly, IMO for him to truly be effective (without losing the little speed he has).

Overall, I don't have a problem with the Baldwin pick. He was supposed to open things up underneath and our receiving corps (Kevin Curtis) was abysmal. He has struggled and isn't getting a free pass from me. Poe, I understand the philosophy/reasoning behind it but I wouldn't have made that pick. Dexter shouldn't have been taken in the first 4 rounds IMO and takes reps from others that could be better options (2 TE sets, Breaston).

mcaj22 · 10-29-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

There is a really bad ass DE from LSU that will probably go in the top 10 this year. His name is Sam Montgomery. Will the next GM carry the torch?

there are two DE/DT whatever guys at LSU that are projected really high

surely if Pioli is still here he takes one

OzarksChiefsFan · 10-29-2012, 12:18 PM

Your opinion runs contrary to what pro scouts say about him. Our run defense is better with him in there no doubt about that.

Sorter · 10-29-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OzarksChiefsFan

Your opinion runs contrary to what pro scouts say about him. Our run defense is better with him in there no doubt about that.

That isn't what my OP says at all...

dilligaf · 10-29-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

****ing bust.

I'm pissed that I bought his jersey after we drafted him. He'll go into the box of shame alongside Larry Johnson's jersey.

Can I throw my Sims jersey in there too?

Xanathol · 10-29-2012, 02:28 PM

You've got a front office who gives a big contract to a high school QB, won't sign worthwhile free agents, currently has a head coach / DC that the players aren't allowed to talk to during the game, and is basically an all around failure as an organization at the moment and you reason that bc Dorsey is taken out on sub packages by THIS team, he must not be good at rushing the passer?!?

This thread should be added to the epic fail thread...

10-29-2012, 10:29 AM
Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9611474	The Myth of Glenn Dorsey I continually hear via radio and occasionally here that Dorsey would be better in a 1-gap scheme and/or a 4-3 base front. This is a myth. On our sub packages, our two DTs (Poe and Bailey) play a 3-tech and a shaded 2-tech or 1-tech. People complaining that Dorsey just needs to be turned loose and enabled to attack the passer need to realize that if Dorsey was able to do those things, he would have been starting in our sub-package since he was drafted. The fact is, Dorsey simply hasn't and won't meet the expectations that he received when drafted in the top 5. That isn't due to scheme or philosophies, IMO. If he was good enough to rush the passer from the several DT techniques that most 4-3 teams run, he would be starting on our sub packages and been productive. This isn't shocking news to most but I thought it might be thread worthy because of the bitching I continually hear about Dorsey and how we might receive a pick for trading him.
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Xanathol Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Casino cash: $9508791	You've got a front office who gives a big contract to a high school QB, won't sign worthwhile free agents, currently has a head coach / DC that the players aren't allowed to talk to during the game, and is basically an all around failure as an organization at the moment and you reason that bc Dorsey is taken out on sub packages by THIS team, he must not be good at rushing the passer?!? This thread should be added to the epic fail thread...
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