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ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-03-2012, 09:56 AM

Chiefs, Jaguars, Panthers, Raiders, Eagles vying for first overall pick
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 3, 2012, 10:52 AM EST
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The Panthers are playing a lot of big games down the stretch. At least if you’re an NFL draft junkie.

While we spend most of our time in December dissecting the teams in the playoff hunt, we’ll also spend some of our time looking at the teams racing to the bottom of the standings, teams vying for the first overall pick in the 2013 draft. And that pick is almost certain to come down to the 2-10 Chiefs, the 2-10 Jaguars, the 3-9 Panthers, the 3-9 Raiders or the 3-9 Eagles.

The Panthers, in particular, have been a factor in the race for the first pick. By beating Philadelphia last week and then losing to Kansas City this week, Carolina tightened things up considerably in the Top 5 of the draft order (which is to say the Bottom 5 of the standings). The Panthers also have a game remaining against the Raiders, and the Raiders also have a game coming up against the Chiefs, so those are the biggest games to watch if you want to see how the top of the draft order will look in April.

In recent years, the first overall pick has almost always been a quarterback. The last four first picks were quarterbacks, and going back to Peyton Manning in 1998, 12 of the last 15 first overall picks have been quarterbacks. But that could change this year for a couple of reasons.

The first reason is that if Carolina ends up with the first pick, the Panthers would definitely not take a quarterback, with 2011 first overall pick Cam Newton already in place. Carolina could trade the first overall pick to a quarterback-needy team, but that leads to the other reason a quarterback probably won’t go first overall.

The other reason is that — even though the Chiefs, Jaguars, Raiders and Eagles all might consider drafting a quarterback — this year’s draft doesn’t appear to have a quarterback worthy of the first overall pick. The two quarterbacks most often mentioned as the best prospects for 2013, West Virginia’s Geno Smith and USC’s Matt Barkley, both saw their stock decline with inconsistent play down the stretch this season.

The players who are more often mentioned as potential first overall picks include Notre Dame inside linebacker Manti Te’o, Georgia outside linebacker Jarvis Jones, Alabama guard Chance Warmack, Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei, Texas A&M defensive end Damontre Moore, Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel and LSU defensive end Barkevious Mingo. For fans in Kansas City, Jacksonville, Carolina, Oakland and Philadelphia, dreaming about one of those players in the home team’s colors can brighten up an otherwise dreary December.

**RealSNR** · 12-03-2012, 12:28 PM

What do you guys think the odds are that if we fail to capture the #1 pick that the draft tards like McShay and Kiper are right, and teams DON'T want one of these QBs?

I mean, if we fail here, we're going to be at the mercy of their prognostications to successfully find our QB. That's not very comforting, no, but is it still somewhat possible?

It's going to come down to who has the pick. The only non-QB I see in this draft who has a REMOTE chance of reaching appropriate value is Star Lotulelei. How many teams would be tempted to draft him? Carolina, certainly. Jacksonville and Oakland possibly. Philly and Cleveland probably not.

After that I see feces. **** Te'o in the top 5. Jarvis Jones? You kidding me? Talk about the top guys at their position who aren't of a #1 overall quality. That Alabama game is a damning case against Jones even going in the top 10, personally. I know some team will snatch him up regardless, but still.

htismaqe · 12-03-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

What do you guys think the odds are that if we fail to capture the #1 pick that the draft tards like McShay and Kiper are right, and teams DON'T want one of these QBs?

I mean, if we fail here, we're going to be at the mercy of their prognostications to successfully find our QB. That's not very comforting, no, but is it still somewhat possible?

It's going to come down to who has the pick. The only non-QB I see in this draft who has a REMOTE chance of reaching appropriate value is Star Lotulelei. How many teams would be tempted to draft him? Carolina, certainly. Jacksonville and Oakland possibly. Philly and Cleveland probably not.

After that I see feces. **** Te'o in the top 5. Jarvis Jones? You kidding me? Talk about the top guys at their position who aren't of a #1 overall quality. That Alabama game is a damning case against Jones even going in the top 10, personally. I know some team will snatch him up regardless, but still.

Certainly there are a TON of variables.

There's no need to try and "preach" to me about it - I want a QB and more specifically, I want Geno Smith.

But I'm a Chiefs fan. Experience tells me I'm gonna get shit on in April.

**RealSNR** · 12-03-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This is the clincher. I don't see this as at all "likely". Geno isn't even the consensus #1 QB, let alone the #1 pick, anywhere but here. Go take a look at the scouting websites...

A majority of the mock drafts have us taking him.

**RealSNR** · 12-03-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

But I'm a Chiefs fan. Experience tells me I'm gonna get shit on in April.

Don't I know the feeling...

htismaqe · 12-03-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

A majority of the mock drafts have us taking him.

Almost as many have us taking Barkley. And another quarter or so don't have either one going #1 overall.

**The Franchise** · 12-03-2012, 12:35 PM

The Raiders need defense and could get by with drafting a QB in the 2nd round.
Same with the Jags.

I'd be more worried about a team like the Jets or Cardinals trading up and getting a QB.

**RealSNR** · 12-03-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Almost as many have us taking Barkley. And another quarter or so don't have either one going #1 overall.

Sure. I chalk that up to the fact that draft season isn't really underway. These mock drafts will be a far better and more accurate reflection of reality starting at around late February.

By then at least they'll know who we have in charge, what they like to do, and what they want to implement. A WCO style of attacking is going to warrant Barkley, which I can deal with I suppose if that's the direction of this team. Of course, Geno would ALSO be perfect for that kind of offense, but I don't know if scouts and GMs will see it that way.

**RealSNR** · 12-03-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The Raiders need defense and could get by with drafting a QB in the 2nd round.
Same with the Jags.

I'd be more worried about a team like the Jets or Cardinals trading up and getting a QB.

Or the Bills

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-03-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The Raiders need defense and could get by with drafting a QB in the 2nd round.
Same with the Jags.

I'd be more worried about a team like the Jets or Cardinals trading up and getting a QB.

Jesus, if we lost Geno to the Jets, I would really have to hurt someone.

**The Franchise** · 12-03-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Or the Bills

Them as well.

There are going to be a lot of teams that need defense....and this draft seems to be pretty top heavy with defensive players. I'm hoping to God that if the Chiefs do slip to the 3-5 range.....that Geno slips with them.

keg in kc · 12-03-2012, 12:37 PM

He'll go to the Raiders. That's how things go for us.

htismaqe · 12-03-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan

Jesus, if we lost Geno to the Jets, I would really have to hurt someone.

I don't know. Losing him to the Raiders would probably hurt worse.

You know what would sting the most though, whether it's the Jets, Raiders, or Jags?

That we lost him to a team that has taken a 1st-round QB in the last 5 ****ing years yet we haven't taken one in THIRTY.

**Baby Lee** · 12-03-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

LSU defensive end Barkevious Mingo

htismaqe · 12-03-2012, 01:37 PM

Petro just brought up a very good point.

The Chiefs just played their PERFECT game. They did EVERYTHING they wanted to do - no turnovers, no stupid penalties, ran the ball well, efficient in the passing game...

And they beat the 3-win Panthers in a nailbiter.

They are who we thought they were.

**HemiEd** · 12-03-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

After what the man went through on Saturday, you'd think some fans would have more class than this.

Some can't even spell class with a computer in front of them.

12-03-2012, 09:56 AM
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $1870208	What do you guys think the odds are that if we fail to capture the #1 pick that the draft tards like McShay and Kiper are right, and teams DON'T want one of these QBs? I mean, if we fail here, we're going to be at the mercy of their prognostications to successfully find our QB. That's not very comforting, no, but is it still somewhat possible? It's going to come down to who has the pick. The only non-QB I see in this draft who has a REMOTE chance of reaching appropriate value is Star Lotulelei. How many teams would be tempted to draft him? Carolina, certainly. Jacksonville and Oakland possibly. Philly and Cleveland probably not. After that I see feces. **** Te'o in the top 5. Jarvis Jones? You kidding me? Talk about the top guys at their position who aren't of a #1 overall quality. That Alabama game is a damning case against Jones even going in the top 10, personally. I know some team will snatch him up regardless, but still.
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