Better Than Geno - Page 4

O.city · 02-24-2013, 04:28 PM

As we've talked about recently on here, I also don't think with the new rule changes etc you have to have what you did say 5 or 6 years ago at Qb to win.

I don't think it's takes Elite at that spot, rather just good/great.

He had a great playoff run but no way am I putting Joe Flacco as elite. Against probably most opinions, wouldn't say Eli is either.

It just doesn't take Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers anymore. They are multipliers yes, but I don't think it's quite where thats what you have to have.

DJ's left nut · 02-24-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Making the decision to draft Geno Smith means you probably have to ask yourself two questions.

Here's why my answer is an easy 'yes' - the guy you cited: Lane Johnson.

Is this really the most incredible LT class of all time? Or is it just that this is an entire class where there isn't much separation at the top?

Watching the combine, I thought Lane Johnson looked better than Joeckel and Fisher. That tells me that these tackles that are being talked up us as being so much better than Geno as pure players...really aren't all that. Warkmack's feet sucked balls, no chance in hell I'd take him over a QB; likewise with the other guard. I still like Star well enough, but certainly not enough to pass on a Matt Schaub level QB for him.

Does Werner have the athletic ability to be a great pass rusher? Is Richardson smart enough to find the stadium? Is Moore a tweener? Didn't Dion Jordan just have surgery? Are Milliner and Banks any better than Rhodes?

I can find you a wart on each one of those guys and arguments that are similar to the ones made against Geno.

I just watched Geno put forward an athletic display equal to the most athletic QBs the draft has produced in years. In the end, the arguments to be made against him juts don't sway me.

The position's too important. We've sucked too badly at it for too long and there are too many strengths in Geno for me to even contemplate passing on him at this point.

Direckshun · 02-24-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Here's why my answer is an easy 'yes' - the guy you cited: Lane Johnson.

Is this really the most incredible LT class of all time? Or is it just that this is an entire class where there isn't much separation at the top?

Watching the combine, I thought Lane Johnson looked better than Joeckel and Fisher. That tells me that these tackles that are being talked up us as being so much better than Geno as pure players...really aren't all that. Warkmack's feet sucked balls, no chance in hell I'd take him over a QB; likewise with the other guard. I still like Star well enough, but certainly not enough to pass on a Matt Schaub level QB for him.

Does Werner have the athletic ability to be a great pass rusher? Is Richardson smart enough to find the stadium? Is Moore a tweener? Didn't Dion Jordan just have surgery? Are Milliner and Banks any better than Rhodes?

I can find you a wart on each one of those guys and arguments that are similar to the ones made against Geno.

I just watched Geno put forward an athletic display equal to the most athletic QBs the draft has produced in years. In the end, the arguments to be made against him juts don't sway me.

The position's too important. We've sucked too badly at it for too long and there are too many strengths in Geno for me to even contemplate passing on him at this point.

You make a lot of good points.

I'm high as balls on Richardson, though. I know that makes me certifiable, but I don't give a shit if he's a dumbass. That mother****er can go.

DJ's left nut · 02-24-2013, 04:38 PM

Until Sheldon Richardson quits on his teammates like he did at Missouri.

He's an idiot and a selfish prick. Richardson at 1.1 would be !@#$ing insane.

BryanBusby · 02-25-2013, 06:21 AM

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Until Sheldon Richardson quits on his teammates like he did at Missouri.

He's an idiot and a selfish prick. Richardson at 1.1 would be !@#$ing insane.

Sheldon Richardson was one of the few players that worked his ass off. Sure he made stupid decisions, but when have we had the huddle and decided we want smart Defensive linemen all of a sudden?

O.city · 02-24-2013, 04:45 PM

With new developments about Star, he might slip. Geno at 1, star at 34?

Direckshun · 02-24-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

With new developments about Star, he might slip. Geno at 1, star at 34?

Honestly? I don't think Star fits our scheme.

I think he's a 4-3 guy, not a 3-4 guy. And you usually don't want to take a guy that falls that far in the 2nd. He's falling for a reason.

O.city · 02-24-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Honestly? I don't think Star fits our scheme.

I think he's a 4-3 guy, not a 3-4 guy. And you usually don't want to take a guy that falls that far in the 2nd. He's falling for a reason.

Yeah, sure. But again, if he checks out medically, Canty-Star-Poe could be pretty damn good, with others coming off the bench.

MagicHef · 02-24-2013, 05:06 PM

Anybody notice what position both SB teams were stacked at?

Suggs
Lewis
Ellerbee
Kruger

Smith
Bowman
Willis
Brooks

KCrockaholic · 02-25-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Anybody notice what position both SB teams were stacked at?

Suggs
Lewis
Ellerbee
Kruger

Smith
Bowman
Willis
Brooks

Yeah. That's what did it. If only the Chiefs could get that missing piece at ILB.

MagicHef · 02-25-2013, 03:18 PM

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Yeah. That's what did it. If only the Chiefs could get that missing piece at ILB.

I'm sure it was the 49ers 23rd ranked passing offense that got them to the SB, not their 3rd ranked defense.

Sorter · 02-25-2013, 03:38 PM

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I'm sure it was the 49ers 23rd ranked passing offense that got them to the SB, not their 3rd ranked defense.

Clearly you missed out on their playoff games.

Moron.

MagicHef · 02-25-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Clearly you missed out on their playoff games.

Moron.

Yep, I totally missed out on their 8th (out of 12) passing offense powering them to the SB. It certainly didn't have anything to do with their defense having the second most turnovers of any team in the playoffs. The only team with more was... oh yeah, the team they lost to in the SB.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-25-2013, 06:45 AM

Lets look at it this way:

Who is the best offensive lineman ever? Anthony Munoz? Willie Roaf? Bruce Matthews? Randall McDaniel? John Hannah?

Choose anyone - your personal #1 offensive lineman of all time.

If you were starting a franchise would you rather have that offensive lineman or would you rather have Warren Moon? Jim Kelly? Joe Namath?

Quarterbacks are so important that I'll take a great QB (not best ever) over the greatest offensive lineman of all time.

No player in this draft - as a prospect - is the "greatest of all time" at any position. I'll take a very good prospect in Geno at QB over a great prospect (debatable) in Joeckel, Werner, etc.

Halfcan · 02-25-2013, 10:16 AM

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-685936	As we've talked about recently on here, I also don't think with the new rule changes etc you have to have what you did say 5 or 6 years ago at Qb to win. I don't think it's takes Elite at that spot, rather just good/great. He had a great playoff run but no way am I putting Joe Flacco as elite. Against probably most opinions, wouldn't say Eli is either. It just doesn't take Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers anymore. They are multipliers yes, but I don't think it's quite where thats what you have to have.
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