Chiefs My thoughts on the game last night - Page 4

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 07:28 AM

There were a few spots that I look back too and think that we did ourselves in. First off, the guys came out nervous as a mother****er and made some silly mistakes. LOTS of dropped passes early on (Avery anyone?) that could've and would've changed the momentum and feel of the game right out of the gate. You come out fired up, and not scared and who knows how the game plays out right from the start?

Why on Earth would we want to put the ball in the hands of the weakest unit of our team to start a game? Win the toss, defer and let your ****ing defense try to create some field position for you to start the game. Use your strengths to your advantage! Get the ****ing crowd out of it a tad with a big 3 and out to open the game, and try to put yourself in a position to have a 60 yard field instead of an 80 yard field with the crowd in full throat. I know the crowd would've been loud anyways, but seriously, who here wouldn't have played D to start off with the choice?

Turning the ball over directly after creating a redzone opportunity for ourselves was the beginning of the end and none of us really knew it at the time. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot. We've talked all year how unpredictable turnovers are, and we all know this team was 9-0 directly because of their abilities to not only create those opportunities, but the fact that we were very good at protecting the ball. It was a fluke deal, and completely out of the blue, but the timing was pitiful and deflated our entire offense. Between the drops and that untimely fumble, I never saw any fire out of our offense the rest of the night. I mean there wasn't much before, but that completely took the sail out of our winds.

Kicking an 18 yd FG in Denver, against Peyton Manning. Uhh, what? Who the **** does that? Take your ****ing chances and pound that ball up their asses for the 4th straight time! I was livid over that last night. I know in a lot of situations when you have a defense like ours, and more importantly an offense like ours, you have to take points anytime you can get them. Not against a goddamned record setting offense like Peyton's Broncos. You have to score TD's when you're inside the ****ing 5, and you have to be willing to do whatever it takes to get them. I would've rather flamed out right there, and at least went after it. We knew we were giving up more than 17 last night. My thoughts the whole week was to hold them under 30 and create some opportunities on offense. That one swing would've made the game 27-21 with 5 minutes left to play.

Demps totally had a read on the pass he jumped, and he should've taken that ball to the house. He flat out missed it, and it cost us. That would've shifted the momentum to us, and fired up our front 7 coming right back on the field. That one play alone, while there were a few that were gamechangers, was the one that I think would have won us the game had we made it. We had a lot of our own shortcomings to overcome, but had he made that play I honestly think we win the game. Not gonna ride the young man too much here, I think he made a good play on the ball and I'm impressed he read it so perfectly, but you have to convert on those rare golden opportunities.

If Jamaal Charles breaks that carry and doesn't stumble, he goes to the house. No one was going to catch him. I will never give him shit for stumbling on a play, because most of the time he will take that ball to the house. It is however a Goddamned shame that the one time he flubs up is in primetime, on the road in Denver in the biggest game of their lives because that was another turning point where we didn't capitalize. Does anyone think he gets caught if he keeps his feet and momentum running down the sidelines?

If any one of us had been told we would hold Denver to under 30 points we would've taken it, and ran with it. What if we were told we could hold them to 20? I blame the last TD they scored on some of the shittiest, most vanilla play calling I've ever seen in a big game like this in the 3rd quarter last night. Our D is holding them to consecutive 3 and outs and we can't get any kind of game going at all. Just a couple of first downs in that stretch and our D probably doesn't let Peyton slice through us like a stick of butter to end the 3rd quarter. And that was the game changer. Yeah, the FG that made it a 3 possession game put the nail in our coffin, but having multiple opportunities to go and tie the game up, or at least pull us within 4 would've been a huge lift to the D and kept them playing inspired defense.

All in all, this game wasn't even close. They handled us in their house on primetime television. But they didn't blow us out. And they didn't beat us nearly as much as we beat ourselves. Things aren't always going to go your way, and you won't get all the bounces like we had in every game leading up to last night. It felt like all of it caught up with us. How these guys respond next week back at home will make a big statement on what our playoff chances look like, and whether or not we can snap the playoff losing streak. That's my biggest deal. I really didn't expect to make the playoffs this year, and if we can just win a damned playoff game I will call the whole season a miracle. That said, if we continued doing what we had done all year, and capitalized on other team's mistakes, and our own opportunities, we all wake up feeling amazing about our 10-0 team.

The rematch in KC is going to be a HUGE game and the entire Nation will be tuned in again. We still control our own destiny, and even though we weren't close last night, I still feel better about this team than I honestly thought I was going too this morning. They have the ability, and talent to make a pretty good run in the playoffs. We all know how they respond this week however is going to dictate how the rest of the season and that run goes though. Watching a team react to it's first loss is always interesting. Having it come this late in the year is the difference between a Super Bowl run, and an epic collapse. We've seen both in the NFL in recent years, I'll be curious how this Chiefs team plays out. We could easily go down in history either way...

Edit: 1 more thing. I'm not jumping Marcus Cooper's shit. Someone on this defense has given up a long play every single week it seems like. Last night he gave up a couple of big plays. Not the end of the world, and he's still overachieving like a mother****er. His entire season, and acquisition feels like a huge gift. Let's not get down on him too much considering who he is, the role he plays, and how he's done as a whole up to this point. He has a big future ahead of him in red and gold.

TEX · 11-18-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63

Penalties
Kansas City 9-53
Denver 13-82

They actually had 4 more and another 30 yards of flags. I don't know where because all I saw were the horrible holds in the first half against Hali-even Collingsworth laughed when Denver's lineman had hali in a choke hold!

They were after the damage had already been done. Personal fouls, holding etc. I've already had a few Manning dick sucker Bronco fans at work point out that they were actually penalized more and they were. However, it's not so much how many penalties as it is when you get them. KC got them in critical situations that took momentum away. It's all part of the game...Regardless, with better play on our end, the game was there for the taking.

TEX · 11-18-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88

Del Rio was boasting that Manning didn't get touched.

No, but Tamba sure did. He was in a choke hold by their Tackles all night...

PhillyChiefFan · 11-18-2013, 10:50 AM

Nice write up Flopnuts.

Things I took away from last night:
1. The obvious ones, penalties and drops killed them.
2. Zero pass rush. I realize Denver's line is good, but not even a SACK? When they KNEW that that's how you stop Manning?!? The defensive pressure on opposing QB's has been on the decline in the last several weeks, but this was pathetic. Manning's averaging 2.7 seconds from snap to throw, but I can only think of 1 pressure when Houston bullrushed his blocker.
3. Alex Smith played well, he took a bonehead sack to take us out of FG range, but I definitely think had he had some help from his WRs/RBs in the passing game, the game would have been closer. McCluster's circus catch on the sideline was awesome though.
4. IMO WR is the top priority this offseason.

I'm not as upset today as I have been in the past, perhaps it's because I believe in Reid and Dorsey and I think they will bring this team back to glory. I hope Reid and Sutton light a fire under the passrushers collective ass for SD and I hope they come out pissed off and hungry.

PhillyChiefFan · 11-18-2013, 10:52 AM

I thought there was a blatant missed holding call on Bowe on a key 3rd down.

Hali was held all night long.

TEX · 11-18-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

I thought there was a blatant missed holding call on Bowe on a key 3rd down.

Hali was held all night long.

You're correct regarding Bowe. It was a killer non call. What's frustrating was it was so obvious and occurred at the worst possible time. Reid was PISSED.

Hali was in a choke hold all night.

TEX · 11-18-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

Nice write up Flopnuts.

Things I took away from last night:
1. The obvious ones, penalties and drops killed them.
2. Zero pass rush. I realize Denver's line is good, but not even a SACK? When they KNEW that that's how you stop Manning?!? The defensive pressure on opposing QB's has been on the decline in the last several weeks, but this was pathetic. Manning's averaging 2.7 seconds from snap to throw, but I can only think of 1 pressure when Houston bullrushed his blocker.
3. Alex Smith played well, he took a bonehead sack to take us out of FG range, but I definitely think had he had some help from his WRs/RBs in the passing game, the game would have been closer. McCluster's circus catch on the sideline was awesome though.
4. IMO WR is the top priority this offseason.

I'm not as upset today as I have been in the past, perhaps it's because I believe in Reid and Dorsey and I think they will bring this team back to glory. I hope Reid and Sutton light a fire under the passrushers collective ass for SD and I hope they come out pissed off and hungry.

I hear you on the pass rush, but it was by design. KC rarely blitzed and routinely sent 4. The plan was to get pressure on Manning by only sending 4 and it didn't work as Denver always had more blockers. Once they knew it wasn't going to work. they should have sent more IMO. I think I heard them say that KC only blitzed 6 times the whole game...

philfree · 11-18-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

They were after the damage had already been done. Personal fouls, holding etc. I've already had a few Manning dick sucker Bronco fans at work point out that they were actually penalized more and they were. However, it's not so much how many penalties as it is when you get them. KC got them in critical situations that took momentum away. It's all part of the game...Regardless, with better play on our end, the game was there for the taking.

I liked how the refs kept calling defensive holding when it was pass interference and then as the game went on they decided to not call either.

ThaVirus · 11-18-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Or give Sherman the blame for not covering up the ball after the first hit when it was clear that he was not going to get many more yards.

I hate to get on a guy for attempting to get more yards but that one was a head scratcher. I mean, not only was he completely stopped with his legs wrapped up, he also had his back to the line of scrimmage.

At that point you either need to just to down or at the very least both hands need to be on the ball. He was asking to get mollywhopped on that play.

TEX · 11-18-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I liked how the refs kept calling defensive holding when it was pass interference and then as the game went on they decided to not call either.

DAMN MAN I was YELLING at the TV saying the same thing!

I swear I almost had a stroke on that 3rd down Bowe non-call. Kc was FINALLY moving the ball on a very critical drive. I know missed calls are part of the game, but you don't "miss" that call at that time...

**Nzoner** · 11-18-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88

Del Rio was boasting that Manning didn't get touched.

Yeah but there's a helluva lot of other denver players who I gurantee are feeling it this morning.

TEX · 11-18-2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner

Yeah but there's a helluva lot of other denver players who I gurantee are feeling it this morning.

Like Welker!

Flowers made him his Old-Spice Soap Dropping Little Bitch!

**morphius** · 11-18-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

On the first long play that the Donks made against Cooper, Thomas pushed off big time. I can't fault Cooper for that.

This is something I noticed a few times, and in some other Donkey game this year. They seem to have mastered the fact that the refs are not going to call the push off 10 yards down field before the ball has been thrown.

**morphius** · 11-18-2013, 11:40 AM

How much real bumping were our corners doing, because even unblocked rushers couldn't get to Manning before the ball was out of his hand.

**gblowfish** · 11-18-2013, 11:43 AM

Hey, those are ten things! Who has time to read ten things????

**notorious** · 11-18-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner

Yeah but there's a helluva lot of other denver players who I gurantee are feeling it this morning.

We are the team that beats you up so badly that you will lose the next week.

Seattle is the same way.

11-18-2013, 07:22 AM
Mr. Flopnuts FINALLY! The wait is over. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Is Now!!! Casino cash: $19947565	My thoughts on the game last night There were a few spots that I look back too and think that we did ourselves in. First off, the guys came out nervous as a mother**er and made some silly mistakes. LOTS of dropped passes early on (Avery anyone?) that could've and would've changed the momentum and feel of the game right out of the gate. You come out fired up, and not scared and who knows how the game plays out right from the start? Why on Earth would we want to put the ball in the hands of the weakest unit of our team to start a game? Win the toss, defer and let your ing defense try to create some field position for you to start the game. Use your strengths to your advantage! Get the ing crowd out of it a tad with a big 3 and out to open the game, and try to put yourself in a position to have a 60 yard field instead of an 80 yard field with the crowd in full throat. I know the crowd would've been loud anyways, but seriously, who here wouldn't have played D to start off with the choice? Turning the ball over directly after creating a redzone opportunity for ourselves was the beginning of the end and none of us really knew it at the time. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot. We've talked all year how unpredictable turnovers are, and we all know this team was 9-0 directly because of their abilities to not only create those opportunities, but the fact that we were very good at protecting the ball. It was a fluke deal, and completely out of the blue, but the timing was pitiful and deflated our entire offense. Between the drops and that untimely fumble, I never saw any fire out of our offense the rest of the night. I mean there wasn't much before, but that completely took the sail out of our winds. Kicking an 18 yd FG in Denver, against Peyton Manning. Uhh, what? Who the does that? Take your ing chances and pound that ball up their asses for the 4th straight time! I was livid over that last night. I know in a lot of situations when you have a defense like ours, and more importantly an offense like ours, you have to take points anytime you can get them. Not against a goddamned record setting offense like Peyton's Broncos. You have to score TD's when you're inside the ing 5, and you have to be willing to do whatever it takes to get them. I would've rather flamed out right there, and at least went after it. We knew we were giving up more than 17 last night. My thoughts the whole week was to hold them under 30 and create some opportunities on offense. That one swing would've made the game 27-21 with 5 minutes left to play. Demps totally had a read on the pass he jumped, and he should've taken that ball to the house. He flat out missed it, and it cost us. That would've shifted the momentum to us, and fired up our front 7 coming right back on the field. That one play alone, while there were a few that were gamechangers, was the one that I think would have won us the game had we made it. We had a lot of our own shortcomings to overcome, but had he made that play I honestly think we win the game. Not gonna ride the young man too much here, I think he made a good play on the ball and I'm impressed he read it so perfectly, but you have to convert on those rare golden opportunities. If Jamaal Charles breaks that carry and doesn't stumble, he goes to the house. No one was going to catch him. I will never give him shit for stumbling on a play, because most of the time he will take that ball to the house. It is however a Goddamned shame that the one time he flubs up is in primetime, on the road in Denver in the biggest game of their lives because that was another turning point where we didn't capitalize. Does anyone think he gets caught if he keeps his feet and momentum running down the sidelines? If any one of us had been told we would hold Denver to under 30 points we would've taken it, and ran with it. What if we were told we could hold them to 20? I blame the last TD they scored on some of the shittiest, most vanilla play calling I've ever seen in a big game like this in the 3rd quarter last night. Our D is holding them to consecutive 3 and outs and we can't get any kind of game going at all. Just a couple of first downs in that stretch and our D probably doesn't let Peyton slice through us like a stick of butter to end the 3rd quarter. And that was the game changer. Yeah, the FG that made it a 3 possession game put the nail in our coffin, but having multiple opportunities to go and tie the game up, or at least pull us within 4 would've been a huge lift to the D and kept them playing inspired defense. All in all, this game wasn't even close. They handled us in their house on primetime television. But they didn't blow us out. And they didn't beat us nearly as much as we beat ourselves. Things aren't always going to go your way, and you won't get all the bounces like we had in every game leading up to last night. It felt like all of it caught up with us. How these guys respond next week back at home will make a big statement on what our playoff chances look like, and whether or not we can snap the playoff losing streak. That's my biggest deal. I really didn't expect to make the playoffs this year, and if we can just win a damned playoff game I will call the whole season a miracle. That said, if we continued doing what we had done all year, and capitalized on other team's mistakes, and our own opportunities, we all wake up feeling amazing about our 10-0 team. The rematch in KC is going to be a HUGE game and the entire Nation will be tuned in again. We still control our own destiny, and even though we weren't close last night, I still feel better about this team than I honestly thought I was going too this morning. They have the ability, and talent to make a pretty good run in the playoffs. We all know how they respond this week however is going to dictate how the rest of the season and that run goes though. Watching a team react to it's first loss is always interesting. Having it come this late in the year is the difference between a Super Bowl run, and an epic collapse. We've seen both in the NFL in recent years, I'll be curious how this Chiefs team plays out. We could easily go down in history either way... Edit: 1 more thing. I'm not jumping Marcus Cooper's shit. Someone on this defense has given up a long play every single week it seems like. Last night he gave up a couple of big plays. Not the end of the world, and he's still overachieving like a mother*er. His entire season, and acquisition feels like a huge gift. Let's not get down on him too much considering who he is, the role he plays, and how he's done as a whole up to this point. He has a big future ahead of him in red and gold. Last edited by Mr. Flopnuts; 11-18-2013 at 07:28 AM..*
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11-18-2013, 10:50 AM	#48
PhillyChiefFan Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Casino cash: $3201139	Nice write up Flopnuts. Things I took away from last night: 1. The obvious ones, penalties and drops killed them. 2. Zero pass rush. I realize Denver's line is good, but not even a SACK? When they KNEW that that's how you stop Manning?!? The defensive pressure on opposing QB's has been on the decline in the last several weeks, but this was pathetic. Manning's averaging 2.7 seconds from snap to throw, but I can only think of 1 pressure when Houston bullrushed his blocker. 3. Alex Smith played well, he took a bonehead sack to take us out of FG range, but I definitely think had he had some help from his WRs/RBs in the passing game, the game would have been closer. McCluster's circus catch on the sideline was awesome though. 4. IMO WR is the top priority this offseason. I'm not as upset today as I have been in the past, perhaps it's because I believe in Reid and Dorsey and I think they will bring this team back to glory. I hope Reid and Sutton light a fire under the passrushers collective ass for SD and I hope they come out pissed off and hungry.
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