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Old 12-12-2014, 10:38 PM  
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Kurt Warner Comeback???






Edit: Believe it when a serious news outlet picks up on it, not twitter or reddit
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:09 AM   #46
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:13 AM   #47
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I never said "anti-correlated," I said it was overrated. Don't twist my words. Even for a lot of those guys you listed, their overall performance wasn't their career best the year they won. Football is a funny game.

Plus defense is way more important than this place will ever give it credit for.
Russell Wilson stretches the field more than Alex Smith.

Alex Smith stretches the field less than every other QB in the league. Literally.

You cannot win with a guy like that.

So it's not just the lack of yardage. It's that Alex is consistently at the bottom in:

YPG
YPA
YPC
TD

That is not a recipe for success.
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:19 AM   #48
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Not completely disagreeing with TK but Russell Wilson's passing yards per game is not an entirely fair reference because of what he adds in rushing yards. Particularly this year.
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:23 AM   #49
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Even for a lot of those guys you listed, their overall performance wasn't their career best the year they won.
Probably because their overall team sucked during their best ypg years and they had to do more. In a similar corollary, teams that are winning a particular game tend to run a lot, there by compiling lots of running yards. People mistake this as running well wins football games, as opposed to teams that are winning tend to run a lot.

You want your QB to be able to pass for a lot of yards in a game, but you do not want him to have to pass for a lot of yards in a game.

It is safe to conclude that you want your QB to be able to pile up a lot of passing yards when the need arises and the ability to do that is going to be reflected in his career ypg. There is zero evidence that Alex falls in that category. He has to have an elite defense ala Ravens or Tampa in their SB winning years to have a prayer of winning a SB. We don't have that defense and with the aging of Hali, the aging and injury of DJ and Eric Berry's cancer, we are further from having that kind of defense now than we were a year ago.
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:26 AM   #50
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And big average ypg QBs > low average ypg QBs every day of the week and 10 times on Sunday.
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:27 AM   #51
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I'm still not arguing any of that. I'm arguing total yardage is overrated. You're missing all kinds of context. Roethlisberger averaged about 200 yards/game passing his two Super Bowl winning years. Eli averaged about 200 his first Super Bowl year. Russell Wilson averaged about 200 last year. Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers actually posted two of their lowest total yardage outputs as a starter in their Super Bowl years. Peyton Manning is a passing yard machine, but he only averaged something like 250 with 3 TD and 7 INT the year he won the Super Bowl. Joe Flacco had a career postseason average of 121 passing yards/postseason game before turning into a monster for four games and winning a Super Bowl.

It's not unimportant, but I don't think it's as much an indicator of past or future success people think it is. Football is a funny game.
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I'm still not arguing any of that. I'm arguing total yardage is overrated. You're missing all kinds of context. Roethlisberger averaged about 200 yards/game passing his two Super Bowl winning years. Eli averaged about 200 his first Super Bowl year. Russell Wilson averaged about 200 last year. Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers actually posted two of their lowest total yardage outputs as a starter in their Super Bowl years. Peyton Manning is a passing yard machine, but he only averaged something like 250 with 3 TD and 7 INT the year he won the Super Bowl. Joe Flacco had a career postseason average of 121 passing yards/postseason game before turning into a monster for four games and winning a Super Bowl.

It's not unimportant, but I don't think it's the indicator of past or future success people think it is. Football is a funny game.
I want a guy capable of delivering high YPG passing but isn't required to because the rest of his team is stomping the other team into the turf. That is what you are seeing in those stats you are quoting. You don't seldom see a journeyman QB ride a great team to a SB. You see a great QB ride a good year by his surrounding cast to a championship.
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Probably because their overall team sucked during their best ypg years and they had to do more. In a similar corollary, teams that are winning a particular game tend to run a lot, there by compiling lots of running yards. People mistake this as running well wins football games, as opposed to teams that are winning tend to run a lot.

You want your QB to be able to pass for a lot of yards in a game, but you do not want him to have to pass for a lot of yards in a game.

It is safe to conclude that you want your QB to be able to pile up a lot of passing yards when the need arises and the ability to do that is going to be reflected in his career ypg. There is zero evidence that Alex falls in that category. He has to have an elite defense ala Ravens or Tampa in their SB winning years to have a prayer of winning a SB. We don't have that defense and with the aging of Hali, the aging and injury of DJ and Eric Berry's cancer, we are further from having that kind of defense now than we were a year ago.
You're making my exact argument here. I'm not sure what your point is. Throwing for a ton of yards is not always an indicator of a healthy offense. That's exactly what I'm saying.
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I'm still not arguing any of that. I'm arguing total yardage is overrated.
Most definitely. But Alex sucks in other areas too.

It is a sad QB we have and his plays is indefensible.
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lol @ the comparison of Alex to Kurt Warner

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When the top 31 QBs in career YPG have won 15 of the last 18 SBs and your QB is resting at 64 it is not "a funny game" at all. You are fundamentally screwed.
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You're making my exact argument here. I'm not sure what your point is. Throwing for a ton of yards is not always an indicator of a healthy offense. That's exactly what I'm saying.
Having a QB who is low in career YPG is almost always an indicator of weak offense.
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And I never even argued about Alex Smith. I don't think he's played well enough this year. You are a little too obsessed about Alex Smith.

Of course the funny thing about that is he has been a pedestrian regular season QB, yet has gotten into two separate playoff shootouts with HOF caliber QBs and slung the ball all over the field for a bunch of yards.
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When the top 31 QBs in career YPG have won 15 of the last 18 SBs and your QB is resting at 64 it is not "a funny game" at all. You are fundamentally screwed.
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