Chiefs Matt Stafford? - Page 4

ToxSocks · 11-05-2015, 12:22 PM

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports Matthew Stafford's Lions future beyond 2015 is "very much in doubt."

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/662329766633193472

Lions fired GM Martin Mayhew and team president Tom Lewand.

There has been no word on the status of coach Jim Caldwell, who is also on the hot seat. Mayhew took over GM duties during the Lions' 0-16 2008 campaign. He drafted Matthew Stafford as the first overall pick in 2009 and landed Ndamukong Suh in the first round a year later. Mayhew's more recent selections, such as Kyle Van Noy in the second round a year ago and Darius Slay in 2013, have not fared as well, and the departure of Suh and 2011 first-round pick Nick Fairley in free agency this offseason left the defense lacking talent. Despite the struggles this year, the Lions made the playoffs twice in Mayhew's tenure, the only two playoff berths for the franchise since 1999. With the man who drafted him now out of the picture, Stafford's future with the team is uncertain. He is owed a $17 million base salary next season, and Detroit could save $11.5 million against the 2016 cap by moving him.

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football

**The Franchise** · 11-05-2015, 05:24 PM

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25 games with multiple interceptions. 40 games with 60% or less completion. He's not good.
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I'm sure he's been a part of some super talented teams....right?

2009: 2-14
2010: 6-10
2011: 10-6
2012: 4-12
2013: 7-9
2014: 11-5

I bet that's all his fault though.

**The Franchise** · 11-05-2015, 05:27 PM

No one here is claiming that Stafford is elite or even that we should jump at the chance to get him on this team.

What I'm simply claiming is that he's not as shitty as people make him out to be. He's basically Andrew Luck at this point. Tons of weapons with no ****ing offensive line to keep him upright. And because of that....he forces the ball and ends up with a bunch of INTs.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-05-2015, 05:30 PM

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No one here is claiming that we should jump at the chance to get him on this team.

I AM!

Well, if they'll take Alex Smith in Trade.

ThaVirus · 11-05-2015, 05:30 PM

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No I dont give people credit for cleaning up messes that they made .
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I seem to recall having many debates with you about Andrew Luck

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-05-2015, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I seem to recall having many debates with you about Andrew Luck

Lets talk about how overrated Russel Wilson is...

-King- · 11-05-2015, 05:36 PM

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@ King

Stafford is not as bad as you seem to think.

No he's bad. Worse fundamentals than Cutler. Accuracy problems and a tendency to throw to the other team. He just throws the ball up in Calvin's general direction and prays it works out
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Eleazar · 11-05-2015, 05:39 PM

I was blasted here for saying Stafford was overrated this past offseason.

Halfcan · 11-05-2015, 05:40 PM

Chiefs love Alex-he will retire here. Makes enough plays to keep the team out of the cellar and making money. Money is the bottom line. They won't bring in Stafford the interception machine- he would cost too much and hurt the bottom line with a losing record.

Gravedigger · 11-05-2015, 05:40 PM

I wanted him when he first came out of Georgia. Maybe with Reid.... MAYBE.... he could become a great quarterback, but I personally don't think we need to trade Smith for Stafford. I'd rather go with the College QB route than hitch the wagon to another veteran.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-05-2015, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

No he's bad. Worse fundamentals than Cutler. Accuracy problems and a tendency to throw to the other team. He just throws the ball up in Calvin's general direction and prays it works out
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Okay

He really doesn't throw that many INTs. Just 17 when he threw it over 700 times.

-King- · 11-05-2015, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I seem to recall having many debates with you about Andrew Luck

I've never denied that Luck sometimes creates his own problems. Ive never used comebacks or gwd as proof of how good he is. But we can agree that Luck and Stafford are on two very different qb classes right?
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-King- · 11-05-2015, 06:30 PM

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Okay

He really doesn't throw that many INTs. Just 17 when he threw it over 700 times.

96 interceptions in 85 games is a lot of interceptions .
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ThaVirus · 11-05-2015, 06:45 PM

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I've never denied that Luck sometimes creates his own problems. Ive never used comebacks or gwd as proof of how good he is. But we can agree that Luck and Stafford are on two very different qb classes right?
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Iiiiiiiiii don't know, man. I don't know.

I mean, Stafford is ass, but Luck's been horrid this season too. Prior to last Sunday's game, Luck had the third lowest QBR of any QB in the league. They both have similar talents (big arm, 3rd year explosion, disappointing performances thereafter).

I'll give it a few more years to make the determination.

ThaVirus · 11-05-2015, 06:47 PM

Eye test does tell me that Luck is the better QB, though. I never loved Stafford. His footwork makes his bad throws really tough to forgive.

I had also heard the coaching had suggested bringing someone in to help him work on his mechanics and he shrugged it off as if everything were gravy and he didn't need it.

That's douchey, non-leaderlike behavior. Plus he has a VERY punchable face, let's be honest.

-King- · 11-05-2015, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Iiiiiiiiii don't know, man. I don't know.

I mean, Stafford is ass, but Luck's been horrid this season too. Prior to last Sunday's game, Luck had the third lowest QBR of any QB in the league. They both have similar talents (big arm, 3rd year explosion, disappointing performances thereafter).

I'll give it a few more years to make the determination.

This year? Yeah Luck is a bottom 5 QB. Just plain trash. But at least he has great fundamentals so I can see he can improve and bounce back. Stafford still throws side arm off his backdoor most throws, I can't see him really getting much better.
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11-05-2015, 12:22 PM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2063063	Matt Stafford? NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports Matthew Stafford's Lions future beyond 2015 is "very much in doubt." https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/662329766633193472 Lions fired GM Martin Mayhew and team president Tom Lewand. There has been no word on the status of coach Jim Caldwell, who is also on the hot seat. Mayhew took over GM duties during the Lions' 0-16 2008 campaign. He drafted Matthew Stafford as the first overall pick in 2009 and landed Ndamukong Suh in the first round a year later. Mayhew's more recent selections, such as Kyle Van Noy in the second round a year ago and Darius Slay in 2013, have not fared as well, and the departure of Suh and 2011 first-round pick Nick Fairley in free agency this offseason left the defense lacking talent. Despite the struggles this year, the Lions made the playoffs twice in Mayhew's tenure, the only two playoff berths for the franchise since 1999. With the man who drafted him now out of the picture, Stafford's future with the team is uncertain. He is owed a $17 million base salary next season, and Detroit could save $11.5 million against the 2016 cap by moving him. http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football
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11-05-2015, 05:27 PM	#47
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	No one here is claiming that Stafford is elite or even that we should jump at the chance to get him on this team. What I'm simply claiming is that he's not as shitty as people make him out to be. He's basically Andrew Luck at this point. Tons of weapons with no ****ing offensive line to keep him upright. And because of that....he forces the ball and ends up with a bunch of INTs.
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Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	Chiefs love Alex-he will retire here. Makes enough plays to keep the team out of the cellar and making money. Money is the bottom line. They won't bring in Stafford the interception machine- he would cost too much and hurt the bottom line with a losing record.
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11-05-2015, 05:40 PM	#54
Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $6473101	I wanted him when he first came out of Georgia. Maybe with Reid.... MAYBE.... he could become a great quarterback, but I personally don't think we need to trade Smith for Stafford. I'd rather go with the College QB route than hitch the wagon to another veteran.
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11-05-2015, 06:47 PM	#59
ThaVirus 5 o’clock free crack giveaway Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $-1767631	Eye test does tell me that Luck is the better QB, though. I never loved Stafford. His footwork makes his bad throws really tough to forgive. I had also heard the coaching had suggested bringing someone in to help him work on his mechanics and he shrugged it off as if everything were gravy and he didn't need it. That's douchey, non-leaderlike behavior. Plus he has a VERY punchable face, let's be honest.
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