Underrated thing about the Chiefs in the Dorsey/Veach era: trades.

[Direckshun]

I had a conversation and it came up that the Chiefs win all their trades.

They sure seem to, right? What trades in the Reid era, which of course includes General Managers John Dorsey and Brett Veach, can we definitively say we lost?

I think the closest you can get is some of the trade-ups in the draft, in particular the 2nd round, under Veach that ended up biting us in the tail and I think you can argue we lost those, but I think that's hard to evaluate.

As far as player-for-player, pick-for-player, or player-for-pick, I can't think of a single trade during this era where you can say "absolutely they lost that one for sure."

Maybe two seconds for Alex Smith? Hard to complain a ton about that, though.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Originally Posted by kccrow

All of them, as I see them...

Win - March 12, 2013: Traded 2013 2nd round pick (34th overall subsequently traded, Justin Hunter) and 2014 2nd round pick (56th overall subsequently traded, Cody Latimer) to 49ers for Alex Smith
Win - May 1, 2013: Traded Javier Arenas to Cardinals for Anthony Sherman
Push - August 19, 2013: Traded Jonathan Baldwin to 49ers for A.J. Jenkins
Win - August 31, 2013: Traded Edgar Jones to Cowboys for 2014 6th round pick (193rd overall, Zach Fulton)
Win - May 1, 2015: Traded 2015 3rd round pick (80th overall subsequently traded, Alex Carter) and 2015 6th round pick (193rd overall, B.J. Dubose) to Vikings for 2015 3rd round pick (76th overall, Chris Conley)
Lost (but meh) - September 5, 2015: Traded Kelcie McCray to Seahawks for 2016 5th round pick (162nd overall, Kevin Hogan)
Win - April 28, 2016: Traded 2016 1st round pick (28th overall, Joshua Garnett) to 49ers for 2016 2nd round pick (37th overall, Chris Jones), 2016 4th round pick (105th overall, Parker Ehinger) and 2016 6th round pick (178th overall, D.J. White)
Win (I guess...) - April 29, 2016: Traded 2016 2nd round pick (59th overall, Roberto Aguayo) to Buccaneers for 2016 3rd round pick (74th overall, KeiVarae Russell) and 2016 4th round pick (106th overall, Eric Murray)
Push - August 27, 2016: Traded 2018 7th round pick (240th overall, Richie James) to 49ers for Kenneth Acker
Push (for KC) - September 2, 2016: Traded Marcus Cooper to Cardinals for 2018 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Jordan Mailata)
Win - September 3, 2016: Traded Rod Streater to 49ers for 2019 7th round pick (216th overall, Nick Allegretti)
Push - October 18, 2016: Traded Knile Davis to Packers for a conditional 2018 pick (not conveyed)
Win - April 27, 2017: Traded 2017 1st round pick (27th overall, Tre'Davious White), 2017 3rd round pick (91st overall subsequently traded, John Johnson) and 2018 1st round pick (22nd overall subsequently traded, Rashaan Evans) to Bills for 2017 1st round pick (10th overall, Patrick Mahomes)
Win (for a bit at least) - April 28, 2017: Traded 2017 3rd round pick (104th overall subsequently traded, C.J. Beathard), 2017 4th round pick (132nd overall subsequently traded, Donnel Pumphrey) and 2017 7th round pick (245th overall, Jack Tocho) to Vikings for 2017 3rd round pick (86th overall, Kareem Hunt)
Loss - April 28, 2017: Traded James O'Shaughnessy and 2017 6th round pick (216th overall subsequently traded, Marquez White) to Patriots for 2017 5th round pick (183rd overall, Ukeme Eligwe)
Push - April 29, 2017: Traded 2017 5th round pick (170th overall, Rodney Adams) and 2017 5th round pick (180th overall, Danny Isidora) to Vikings for 2017 4th round pick (139th overall, Jehu Chesson)
Win - July 28, 2017: Traded DJ Alexander to Seahawks for Kevin Pierre-Louis
Win - August 28, 2017: Traded 2019 4th round pick (131st overall subsequently traded, Wes Martin) to Bills for Reggie Ragland
Push (it comes full-circle...) - August 30, 2017: Traded 2018 5th round pick (159th overall subsequently traded, Daurice Fountain) to Browns for Cam Erving
Push - September 2, 2017: Traded Isaiah Battle to Seahawks for a conditional 2018 pick (not conveyed)
Trades
Win - March 14, 2018: Traded Alex Smith to Redskins for Kendall Fuller and 2018 3rd round pick (78th overall subsequently traded, Malik Jefferson)
Loss - March 14, 2018: Traded Marcus Peters and 2018 6th round pick (209th overall subsequently traded, Cornell Armstrong) to Rams for 2018 4th round pick (124th overall, Armani Watts) and 2019 2nd round pick (63rd overall, Juan Thornhill)
Loss - April 27, 2018: Traded 2018 2nd round pick (54th overall, Jessie Bates) and 2018 3rd round pick (78th overall, Malik Jefferson) to Bengals for 2018 2nd round pick (46th overall, Breeland Speaks) and 2018 3rd round pick (100th overall, Dorian O'Daniel)
Loss (could argue Push) - April 27, 2018: Traded 2018 3rd round pick (86th overall, Mark Andrews) and 2018 4th round pick (122nd overall, Kenny Young) to Ravens for 2018 3rd round pick (75th overall, Derrick Nnadi)
Push (could argue Loss) - April 28, 2018: Traded 2018 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Jordan Mailata) and 2018 7th round pick (243rd overall, Keion Crossen) to Patriots for 2018 6th round pick (198th overall, Kahlil McKenzie)
Win - August 30, 2018: Traded Parker Ehinger to Cowboys for Charvarius Ward
Win - August 31, 2018: Traded 2020 7th round pick (246th overall, Malcolm Perry) to Dolphins for Jordan Lucas
Push (Could end up big win though) - March 13, 2019: Traded Dee Ford to 49ers for 2020 2nd round pick (63rd overall, Willie Gay)
Win - April 2, 2019: Traded Eric Murray to Browns for Emmanuel Ogbah
Win - April 23, 2019: Traded 2019 1st round pick (29th overall, L.J. Collier), 2019 3rd round pick (92nd overall subsequently traded, Chuma Edoga) and 2020 2nd round pick (64th overall subsequently traded, Jeremy Chinn) to Seahawks for Frank Clark and 2019 3rd round pick (84th overall, Khalen Saunders)
Push (could argue loss) - April 26, 2019: Traded 2019 2nd round pick (61st overall, Taylor Rapp) and 2019 5th round pick (167th overall subsequently traded, Clayton Thorson) to Rams for 2019 2nd round pick (56th overall, Mecole Hardman)
Push - May 16, 2019: Traded 2020 6th round pick (211th overall subsequently traded, Isaiah Rodgers) to Jets for Darron Lee
Push - August 31, 2019: Traded Mark Fields to Vikings for a conditional 2021 pick (7th-round; not conveyed)
Loss (argue push) - August 31, 2019: Traded Carlos Hyde to Texans for Martinas Rankin
Push - April 25, 2020: Traded 2021 6th round pick (215th overall, Brady Breeze) to Titans for 2020 7th round pick (237th overall, Thakarius Keyes)
Push - November 3, 2020: Traded DeAndre Washington and 2021 7th round pick (258th overall subsequently traded, Dax Milne) to Dolphins for 2021 6th round pick (207th overall subsequently traded, Jonathan Marshall)
Jury is out but looks like Push - April 23, 2021: Traded 2021 1st round pick (31st overall, Odafe Oweh), 2021 3rd round pick (94th overall, Ben Cleveland), 2021 4th round pick (136th overall subsequently traded, Marco Wilson) and 2022 5th round pick (173rd overall subsequently traded, Marcus McKethan) to Ravens for Orlando Brown Jr., 2021 2nd round pick (58th overall, Nick Bolton) and 2022 6th round pick (191st overall subsequently traded, Jalen Nailor)
Win - May 1, 2021: Traded 2021 5th round pick (175th overall, Jason Pinnock) and 2021 6th round pick (207th overall, Jonathan Marshall) to Jets for 2021 5th round pick (162nd overall, Noah Gray) and 2021 6th round pick (226th overall, Trey Smith)
Win - May 13, 2021: Traded 2022 6th round pick (191st overall, Jalen Nailor) to Vikings for Mike Hughes and 2022 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Dareke Young)
High win probability - August 31, 2021: Traded Yasir Durant to Patriots for 2022 7th round pick (243rd overall, Jaylen Watson)
Push - November 2, 2021: Chiefs sent Laurent Duvernay-Tardif to Jets. Broncos sent Kary Vincent to Eagles. Jets sent Daniel Brown to Chiefs. Eagles sent 2022 6th round pick (206th overall, Matt Henningsen) to Broncos.
Push, probably - November 2, 2021: Traded 2022 6th round pick (208th overall, Connor Heyward) to Steelers for Melvin Ingram

Okay

[mnchiefsguy]

Gotta disagree with kccrow on the Dee Ford trade---considering he played he played only a handful of snaps for the 49ers and was injured the whole time, and we got a starting LB in Willie Gay--that is a total win.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Veach is very good at trying to win every year without selling out to win in any specific year. The only year you could argue he crossed the line (Badger and Clark) it paid off...

Yeah, we got real lucky. He's one hell of a gm.

I just think sometimes he makes these moves a year late. again it's 100% nitpicking. But I think many would argue that last year, for example, we should have known that our receivers were a poor fit for how defenses were adjusting to us. Just as the prior year it shouldn't have taken mahomes taking cannonballs to the chest in the super bowl to realize we needed at least some help on the OL. It wouldn't have taken much. We just needed a single decent interior OL or a single short route WR in each of those years.