Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 41

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

Dayze · 07-22-2011, 01:54 PM

just make it flag football already.

keg in kc · 07-22-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Why?

Wright is like the "gangsta" at the end of Eight Mile. Clarence's parents have a real good marriage...

I don't know, it was just typical radio bullshit i think. He was complaining about 810 not talking about the 9/11 firefighters stuff and making fun of Kietzman for calling Clark "Mr. Hunt" in an interview last night.

So I was like 'what the **** is this shit?' turned the dial and a little to my surprise found something more worthwhile to listen to.

Mr. Laz · 07-22-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Very Good point and I hope he does. I wanna see the back ups but I hope Haley is innovative enough to figure out a way to give his team a conditioning advantage.

what choice will that have?

All the teams will have to change the way the handle players during the preseason games. The first 2 preseason game will be more like scrimmage practices.

Dayze · 07-22-2011, 01:58 PM

i feel sorry for the ST holders who have to pay for the upcoming/future PS games.
good lord.

**ChiefGator** · 07-22-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Now in TC veterans can't wear pads and have no contact for 3 days and can't be on the field over 4 hrs for the entire day. Shit DV used to hold 3 hour padded practices twice a day.

Yeah, well.. our D still couldn't tackle worth a damn, so maybe this isn't so bad.

Titty Meat · 07-22-2011, 02:05 PM

AdamSchefter
Player reps emailed a letter to players saying, "We will meet again Monday to discuss our options and the direction we want to go."
2 minutes ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry

KCUnited · 07-22-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

So I walk out of Captain America, turn on the radio, and Nick Wright is bitching about Kevin Kietzman, while Kevin Kietzman is interviewing Rudy Niswanger who's actually giving some interesting insight into the player perspective (basically that everything was overblown last night).

Not that I'm a big fan of 810, but how in the world can anybody listen to 610. Useless.

610 had practically the same interview with Niswanger this morning.

Titty Meat · 07-22-2011, 02:05 PM

take your time boys it's not like camp is starting anytime soon.

Dayze · 07-22-2011, 02:08 PM

So, I'm thinking HBO should change the title of its' series "Hard Knocks" to something more appropriate and representative of the new proposed CBA etc.

"Pillow Fights"
"Guys Running Around in Shorts"

Just Passin' By · 07-22-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i asked several times about this yesterday. NOT ONE person responded.

This has been gone over before, but let's walk through it again.

The given reason for owners to opt out of the previous CBA was a loss of profitability due to the CBA. That was obviously bullshit. However, the claim was that some teams would start losing money because costs were rising faster than revenue for those teams.

The reason that was so is because of the uneven split on the owner side. For example (very basic and leaving out some parts), while a team like the Cowboys was bringing in $400 million, another team might only be bringing in $200 million. Since all the revenues were counted, this would be a $600 million stream divided in half (player/owner), but not half (owner/owner). Therefore, the Cowboys shelling out $150 million was not a big issue since they're still clearing $250 million, but the other team shelling out $150 million meant that they were more financially pressed, clearing only $50 million.

The next year, the Cowboys might bring in $450 million while the other team only brought in $210 million. Well, the pot then goes to $660 million, with each team needing to pay out $175 million to the players. Instead of working with $50 million, that team is now working with $35 million, while the Cowboys are now working with $275. The Cowboys are making money hand over fist and are basically unaffected by the revenue sharing, but the other team is getting pinched because of the Dallas success.

In other words, the top teams were hurting the rest of the league. It wasn't player revenue percentage that was the problem, it was the uneven owner split.

The problem for the players is that this should always have been first priority, yet they seem to have let it slide. That's poor work on the part of their negotiating group, and it's probably too late in the day to fix it. That seems to leave the inclusion of the opt out as the next best thing for them.

Mr. Laz · 07-22-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

AdamSchefter
Player reps emailed a letter to players saying, "We will meet again Monday to discuss our options and the direction we want to go."
2 minutes ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry

So the players are going to take the weekend off?

**alnorth** · 07-22-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

So the players are going to take the weekend off?

The NFLPA probably wont. They got until Tuesday to round up the 1900+ players to vote, why should they do it early?

**dirk digler** · 07-22-2011, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze

So, I'm thinking HBO should change the title of its' series "Hard Knocks" to something more appropriate and representative of the new proposed CBA etc.

"Pillow Fights"
"Guys Running Around in Shorts"

Titty Meat · 07-22-2011, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

The NFLPA probably wont. They got until Tuesday to round up the 1900+ players to vote, why should they do it early?

Because there's a season that was suppose to be starting. **** them.

Mr. Laz · 07-22-2011, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

The NFLPA probably wont. They got until Tuesday to round up the 1900+ players to vote, why should they do it early?

so are they going to use the pony express to round up 1900+ players?

conference call + digital signatures = done in a couple of hours

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2093063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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