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Direckshun · 11-02-2014, 08:19 PM

This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate.

The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ****ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye.

What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What??

I'll tell you what happened. Kyle ****ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ****ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous.

Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success:

The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success.
He is still Kyle Orton.

That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone.

He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown.

After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-****ing-diculous speedster.

At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright.

I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us.

So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3.

This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ****ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst.

I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady.

Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps.

Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none.

This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better.

Let's win this ****ing game.

OldSchool · 11-08-2014, 02:21 PM

Week 5, Donald only saw 34% of the Rams' defensive snaps.

Week 6, when Donald got his first start, he saw his snap count jump up to 88%.

Just Passin' By · 11-08-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Week 5, Donald only saw 34% of the Rams' defensive snaps.

Week 6, when Donald got his first start, he saw his snap count jump up to 88%.

And the Rams have given up more than 30 points in two of Donald's four starts and gave up 26 in another. Their total yards allowed has gone up, their yards allowed passing has gone way up as well.

What's been a plus is their play against the SF run.

OldSchool · 11-08-2014, 02:32 PM

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And the Rams have given up more than 30 points in two of Donald's four starts and gave up 26 in another. Their total yards allowed has gone up, their yards allowed passing has gone way up as well.

How many sacks did the Rams have before Donald started?

Just Passin' By · 11-08-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

How many sacks did the Rams have before Donald started?

Who gives a shit?

thabear04 · 11-08-2014, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

How many sacks did the Rams have before Donald started?

I wanna say 6.

OldSchool · 11-08-2014, 02:39 PM

Does this look like a typical rookie DT to you?

That's Logan Mankins that got schooled on that play.

Donald was a huge reason why the Ram were able to beat the Seahawks, he almost singlehandedly eliminated Marshawn Lynch from the equation; they simply couldn't block him.

He was also a huge reason why they beat the 49ers as well. He provided a ton of pressure inside and took up doubleteams to free up Quinn and the rest of the guys on that front. He was the one who made that goaline stand happen for them, he slammed the center Martin back into Kaepernick as soon as the ball moved, a big reason why Kaepernick fumbled that ball.

OldSchool · 11-08-2014, 02:46 PM

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I wanna say 6.

Nope. They had exactly 1 sack. Guess who that sack belonged to? Aaron Donald. Since Donald began starting, their pass rush production has increased significantly.

Just Passin' By · 11-08-2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

...Donald was a huge reason why the Ram were able to beat the Seahawks, he almost singlehandedly eliminated Marshawn Lynch from the equation; they simply couldn't block him.

He was also a huge reason why they beat the 49ers as well. He provided a ton of pressure inside and took up doubleteams to free up Quinn and the rest of the guys on that front. He was the one who made that goaline stand happen for them, he slammed the center Martin back into Kaepernick as soon as the ball moved, a big reason why Kaepernick fumbled that ball.

I always like to look at 1 or 2 plays and pretend that they are a complete proof about an entire season...

I find that it's so much better than pointing out larger scope things like, for example,

SF has struggled with offensive consistency all season long, has rushed for under 100 combined yards 3 times in 8 games, has scored 20 points or fewer in 3 of 8 games (with the 20 point game including 7 points scored after a blocked kick set up the offense on the opponent's 8 yard line), and has reached the 30 points plateau only once all season, against the Rams with Donald starting.

OldSchool · 11-08-2014, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I always like to look at 1 or 2 plays and pretend that they are a complete proof about an entire season...

I find that it's so much better than pointing out larger scope things like, for example,

SF has struggled with offensive consistency all season long, has rushed for under 100 combined yards 3 times in 8 games, has scored 20 points or fewer in 3 of 8 games (with the 20 point game including 7 points scored after a blocked kick set up the offense on the opponent's 8 yard line), and has reached the 30 points plateau only once all season, against the Rams with Donald starting.

Was it Donald's fault that the Rams' DBs are highly inconsistent?

Who said I was only looking at 1 or 2 plays? Donald has consistently been the best player on that Rams front; he is doing the exact same thing against NFL players as he did in college. He has been making plays like that in virtually every game that he has played in so far, or did you miss him forcing a fumble against us? You hating on him this much just tells me that you haven't watched him play at all.

The Rams had exactly 1 sack prior to Donald's first NFL start, that sack belonged to Donald. Since Donald began starting in week 6, the Rams have recorded 13 more sacks. Coincidence? No, Donald is making things easier for everyone else by taking up multiple blockers and bringing pressure up the middle. To top it off, he leads that team with 11 TFL.

You really should go watch that Seahawks game when you get the chance, Donald was a beast. Lynch rarely ever gets dropped for a loss, Donald stopped him behind the LOS multiple times in that game, forcing the Seahawks to go away from the run game and try to put the ball in Wilson's hands.

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-08-2014, 03:04 PM

Guy has to be a mult

Just Passin' By · 11-08-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Was it Donald's fault that the Rams' DBs are highly inconsistent?

Who said I was only looking at 1 or 2 plays? Donald has consistently been the best player on that Rams front; he is doing the exact same thing against NFL players as he did in college. He has been making plays like that in virtually every game that he has played in so far, or did you miss him forcing a fumble against us? You hating on him this much just tells me that you haven't watched him play at all.

The Rams had exactly 1 sack prior to Donald's first NFL start, that sack belonged to Donald. Since Donald began starting in week 6, the Rams have recorded 13 more sacks. Coincidence? No, Donald is making things easier for everyone else by taking up multiple blockers and bringing pressure up the middle. To top it off, he leads that team with 11 TFL.

You really should go watch that Seahawks game when you get the chance, Donald was a beast. Lynch rarely ever gets dropped for a loss, Donald stopped him behind the LOS multiple times in that game, forcing the Seahawks to go away from the run game and try to put the ball in Wilson's hands.

In Donald's first game as a starter, the Rams had 0 sacks against the 49ers.

In Donald's second game as a starter, the Rams had 3 sacks against Seattle. The Rams had 7 sacks against the Seahawks last year, without Donald.

In Donald's third game as a starter, the Rams had 2 sacks against a Chiefs team that surrenders an average of a little more than 2 sacks per game.

It's only been one game, the second game against the 49ers, where the Rams really got to the QB for sacks in a way that might have been even remotely unexpected, and that was against a 49ers team that had gotten steamrolled the week before, against the Broncos (6 sacks allowed in that game).

You're ignoring the obvious, it seems.

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-08-2014, 03:12 PM

We really have someone trying to argue that a player who has started THREE games as the best DT in football

This place sucks ass

OldSchool · 11-08-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

In Donald's first game as a starter, the Rams had 0 sacks against the 49ers.

In Donald's second game as a starter, the Rams had 3 sacks against Seattle. The Rams had 7 sacks against the Seahawks last year, without Donald.

In Donald's second game as a starter, the Rams had 2 sacks against a Chiefs team that surrenders an average of a little more than 2 sacks per game.

It's only been one game, the second game against the 49ers, where the Rams really got to the QB for sacks in a way that might have been even remotely unexpected, and that was against a 49ers team that had gotten steamrolled the week before, against the Broncos (6 sacks allowed in that game).

You're ignoring the obvious, it seems.

DaBills · 11-08-2014, 03:36 PM

Man I am nervous as all hell for this game!!! Your guy's D is terrifying , extremely hard to throw on and pressure the quarterback just as well as anybody ... which concerns me because unlike what the OP said, our O-line is complete garbage .... it looked a tad better against the jets with a few adjustments but still a really shitty o line all together.

I think you guys are gonna win but it could go either way IMO good luck to you guys and I hope you all stay healthy.. .this game could have huge playoff implications if we both keep it up... on that note cant wait for tomorrow!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-08-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBills

Man I am nervous as all hell for this game!!! Your guy's D is terrifying , extremely hard to throw on and pressure the quarterback just as well as anybody ... which concerns me because unlike what the OP said, our O-line is complete garbage .... it looked a tad better against the jets with a few adjustments but still a really shitty o line all together.

I think you guys are gonna win but it could go either way IMO good luck to you guys and I hope you all stay healthy.. .this game could have huge playoff implications if we both keep it up... on that note cant wait for tomorrow!

WE LOVE KYLE ORTON AND MISS HIM DEARLY!

11-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2063447	Let's talk about the ing Bills. This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate. The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ***ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost* as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye. What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What?? I'll tell you what happened. Kyle **ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous. Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success: The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success. He is still Kyle Orton. That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone. He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown. After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-ing-diculous speedster. At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright. I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us. So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3. This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst. I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady. Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps. Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none. This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better. Let's win this **ing game.
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DaBills Rookie Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $10004965	Man I am nervous as all hell for this game!!! Your guy's D is terrifying , extremely hard to throw on and pressure the quarterback just as well as anybody ... which concerns me because unlike what the OP said, our O-line is complete garbage .... it looked a tad better against the jets with a few adjustments but still a really shitty o line all together. I think you guys are gonna win but it could go either way IMO good luck to you guys and I hope you all stay healthy.. .this game could have huge playoff implications if we both keep it up... on that note cant wait for tomorrow!
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