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Old 12-08-2014, 10:13 AM  
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I can't believe this team passed on Derek Carr
It's Raiders week and I really don't care about them that much. I hate their fans. I hate their stadium. I hate everything about them. But I'm jealous. I'm jealous of the Raiders for the second time in my entire life. The first was with Rich Gannon, who we threw away. We know the story and what they went on to do.

But this week I'm jealous of them for the second time in my life.
I can't believe that John Dorsey passed on a QB that reminds me a lot of what makes Aaron Rodgers good. Great arm. Great leadership. Great feet. Just needs coaching.

I'm looking back at the Senior Bowl last year and am seeing the following statements about this young man:

"Derek carr's velocity, especially in the gusty wind, was once again impressive. When it comes to arm strength, he really has no competition."

"Carr looked very athletic in an escape drill showcasing his impression footwork."

I saw tweets like this that made me appreciate him

@nfldraftscout: Derek Carr won me over at the Senior Bowl...where he stayed after practice every day to get extra reps with new WRs.

@ryanlownes: @JimmyKempski Ran routes for Derek Carr after practice every day at the Senior Bowl. No shortage of work ethic or competitiveness.

And then I remember us this tweet on the day of the draft:

@KanCityChiefFan: Mort: Kansas City Chiefs are a sleeper QB team in 2014 NFL Draft - Arrowhead Pride (blog) http://t.co/Pn0XVl203s

I thought this regime would be different. I really did. I didn't mind Alex as a stop gap while we developed a guy like GB did with Rodgers, but it's always the same with this franchise.

Now we have to watch the team we all hate with a good looking QB of the future that we should have drafted.
Such is life as a Chiefs fan..
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Old 05-11-2025, 01:19 PM   #601
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Undoubtedly the best option in the draft for this team before Mahomes and it’s not even close.

2013
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With the benefit of hindsight, drafting Carr would have yielded higher results than trading for Alex.

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2017-trade up for Mahomes
2018-trade Carr for more than you got for Alex. Probably a 1st rd pick with Andy helping him look good
You are working too hard to sell this. If we drafted Carr and he was any good there is zero chance we get Mahomes. ZERO. It's okay to have wanted Carr before we knew about Mahomes. It's not like this thread is bemoaning us not getting Paxton Lynch.
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Old 05-11-2025, 01:21 PM   #602
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Old 05-11-2025, 01:23 PM   #603
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Why is this relevant?

The Raiders have over 40 million in cap room for 2017 and and nearly 90 million going into 2018.

The can also cut Michael Crabtree, Donald Penn and Aldon Smith, who has been disappointing, and save another $19 million. Likely they will offer Crabtree a long term contract, as he has flourished in the absence of Alex Smith, cut the two others, and still save about $15 million. That's $55 million in cap room. They will have absolutely no problem signing anyone AND getting Carr locked up.

They are loaded and the future is extremely bright.
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Old 05-11-2025, 01:24 PM   #604
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The Chiefs are walking into a buzzsaw.

I don't see any way they come out of Oakland without being embarrassed.

The Raiders passing game is almost as productive as Pittsburgh's, but their OL is better, as are their corners.

Carr is just going to sit back and pick us apart. Alex won't keep up.
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Old 05-11-2025, 01:27 PM   #605
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The NFL just kicked Carr's ass and this time he refused to pull himself back up.

He knows what failure looks like and he's gonna' spend some of that contract money and throw his opinion around in super churches.
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Old 05-12-2025, 10:28 AM   #606
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You are working too hard to sell this. If we drafted Carr and he was any good there is zero chance we get Mahomes. ZERO. It's okay to have wanted Carr before we knew about Mahomes. It's not like this thread is bemoaning us not getting Paxton Lynch.


Agreed. I think it's pretty much consensus that Alex throwing the ball out of bounds instead of to a WIDE OPEN Hill in the Pittsburgh playoff game is the play that got Mahomes drafted.

Carr would have been better than Alex (but still not good enough for a SB win), and IMO I don't think we go out and get Mahomes in that scenario.
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I wonder what kind of bonus Carr got to wait and retire. So the Saints didn't feel any pressure to draft that Cowboy offspring
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Undoubtedly the best option in the draft for this team before Mahomes and it’s not even close.

2013
EJ Manuel
Geno Smith

2014
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With the benefit of hindsight, drafting Carr would have yielded higher results than trading for Alex.

2013-sign Kolb or Moore as a FA
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2017-trade up for Mahomes
2018-trade Carr for more than you got for Alex. Probably a 1st rd pick with Andy helping him look good

I’m still taking Geno over Carr.
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It's amazing to me that there were ever Alex Smith fans anywhere, outside of his own family.

That's like a person's favorite food being Saltine crackers.
We argue at work all the time. He may be a nice person. But he was average at best. People alter their memories of him.

He was literally matt Cassel 2.0.
Same stats.
Whole season without throwing a td to a wr.
Could not put the team on his back to win a game when it mattered.
Colts choke job.
Too worried about ints that all he did was dump off and throw to tight ends.
Teams knew his ability and just crowded the los and rely on defense. It was maddening.
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I’m still taking Geno over Carr.
Neither would ever win you a Super Bowl. But Carr is better when healthy
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