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yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built. 142 61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please. 79 34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks. 11 4.74%
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM  
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Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley?
I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:07 PM   #616
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Sadly, Haley will be brought back next year and the injuries will be an excuse.
I really doubt that he will be brought back.

Cassel, however, will.
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:07 PM   #617
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:08 PM   #618
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I just don't want Cassel back.


Whatever has to happen for that to happen is ok by me.
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:10 PM   #619
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Two of the wins this years were, literally, statistical miracles (SD and CHI). The bottom line is that when a team fails as miserably as the Chiefs have, large changes have to happen, and Haley has been complicit with the overall suck. Because he...wait for it...sucks.
We won Chicago because of hustle. We only barely beat San Diego because our QB shit the bed in the second half. How many games have we lost in the past two years primarily because our QB didn't execute the plays called in? I would argue that last year, if Haley had an average QB (not even an Aaron Rodgers. Matt Hasselbeck or Andy Dalton), the Chiefs would have overwhelmingly won the division and had a good playoff run. (correction... in 2010, that is)

Haley getting fired would be scapegoating for the absolutely shitty decisions Pioli made at QB. Haley's been anything but perfect, but he was also given very little to work with. This team doesn't need large changes. They need a new QB. If you keep Haley and you bring in a legit QB, I guarantee this team is consistently strong.
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:11 PM   #620
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The point being that you have no idea how the head coach would respond with better players, who allow you to actually do things with your playbook other than grind the ball on the ground because you don't trust your QB.

I would still argue that putting the Chiefs in the playoffs last year and winning 5 games this year with the kind of talent we have is nothing short of a miracle. We win games because we outplay other teams. I can't think of any legit playoff teams where our team comes even CLOSE to the talent level they have.
We were at least an NFL-average with Tyler Thigpen the 2nd half of that season. With Haley+Cassel (or Palko) - Charles, we are the worst in the league. Do we really have less talent on offense now? It may ALL be on the QBs, but at this point, may as well let someone else give it a try.
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:11 PM   #621
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We won Chicago because of hustle. We only barely beat San Diego because our QB shit the bed in the second half. How many games have we lost in the past two years primarily because our QB didn't execute the plays called in? I would argue that last year, if Haley had an average QB (not even an Aaron Rodgers. Matt Hasselbeck or Andy Dalton), the Chiefs would have overwhelmingly won the division and had a good playoff run.

Haley getting fired would be scapegoating for the absolutely shitty decisions Pioli made at QB. Haley's been anything but perfect, but he was also given very little to work with. This team doesn't need large changes. They need a new QB. If you keep Haley and you bring in a legit QB, I guarantee this team is consistently strong.
Any team with a franchise QB is consistently strong (or has a tremendous chance to be strong, at the very least).
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:12 PM   #622
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We won Chicago because of hustle. We only barely beat San Diego because our QB shit the bed in the second half. How many games have we lost in the past two years primarily because our QB didn't execute the plays called in? I would argue that last year, if Haley had an average QB (not even an Aaron Rodgers. Matt Hasselbeck or Andy Dalton), the Chiefs would have overwhelmingly won the division and had a good playoff run. (correction... in 2010, that is)

Haley getting fired would be scapegoating for the absolutely shitty decisions Pioli made at QB. Haley's been anything but perfect, but he was also given very little to work with. This team doesn't need large changes. They need a new QB. If you keep Haley and you bring in a legit QB, I guarantee this team is consistently strong.
I like your devoted, blind, defense of Haley.
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We won Chicago because of hustle. We only barely beat San Diego because our QB shit the bed in the second half. How many games have we lost in the past two years primarily because our QB didn't execute the plays called in? I would argue that last year, if Haley had an average QB (not even an Aaron Rodgers. Matt Hasselbeck or Andy Dalton), the Chiefs would have overwhelmingly won the division and had a good playoff run. (correction... in 2010, that is)

Haley getting fired would be scapegoating for the absolutely shitty decisions Pioli made at QB. Haley's been anything but perfect, but he was also given very little to work with. This team doesn't need large changes. They need a new QB. If you keep Haley and you bring in a legit QB, I guarantee this team is consistently strong.
We all agree with your QB point. We are pissed at Haley for not giving our future backup QB some playing time.
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At this point I wouldn't mind if Haley was fired. But if Haley is fired and Cassel stay we should all mail antifreeze to Chiefs management.
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At this point I wouldn't mind if Haley was fired. But if Haley is fired and Cassel stay we should all mail antifreeze to Chiefs management.
This.


Many of us have stated that we are done as Chiefs fans if Cassel is back.



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Many of us have stated that we are done as Chiefs fans if Cassel is back.



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And I bet the many of you that said that will still be posting next year if/when Cassel starts opening day next year.
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We were at least an NFL-average with Tyler Thigpen the 2nd half of that season. With Haley+Cassel (or Palko) - Charles, we are the worst in the league. Do we really have less talent on offense now? It may ALL be on the QBs, but at this point, may as well let someone else give it a try.
This is the worst offensive unit we've ever had from a talent perspective when Palko/Stanzi are your only QB options.

We have below average RBs and very bad options at QB. At least in most eras, we at least had good enough RBs to keep defenses on their toes.
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