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**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

**ShortRoundChief** · 12-11-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Guess you didn't watch preseason. You know... Where Stanzi showed the best potential of anything at QB this team has.

Wha....? You would evaluate a rookie by his performance in a shortened preseason, preseason game?

I think at this point he should get a shot on the field. We have nothing to gain this year let's evaluate.

htismaqe · 12-11-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

What game has Stanzi played in? How can you possibly evaluate him?

It's not about evaluating Stanzi.

It's about evaluating PALKO.

He's the worst QB in the league, with a bullet.

I couldn't get the game so I had to switch back and forth between Fox radio and ESPN radio - both crews were LAUGHING every time they updated the score and had to mention Palko.

splatbass · 12-11-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Guess you didn't watch preseason. You know... Where Stanzi showed the best potential of anything at QB this team has.

In preseason, with the third string and a vanilla offense. Are you telling me that without even seeing practice you know more than Haley and Zorn about who is better? Really? Get over yourself.

NJChiefsFan · 12-11-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

I would have liked to have seen him play today, but I will admit that Haley and Zorn are in more of a position to decide if he is ready than I am - or anyone else here. There are a lot of people here with egos so big that they think that without even seeing practice they know more about it than professionals who see them in practice every day.

I fully admit that while I value my own views, I don't see what coaches see. That being said, I think this situation is beyond that. There just really isn't a way Stanzi could be worse, and even if he is, what is the risk?

Sometimes as a coach you lose some perspective. You see Palko working hard as hell and maybe it influences you. You are getting paid a lot but people are human. In this case, I think the fans are just seeing it more clearly.

scho63 · 12-11-2011, 05:33 PM

One minor positive thing I will say about Haley is that he never points his finger at any of his players in public and always does his best to put a positive face on a sh*tty situation. He is also very protective of what happens behind closed doors. That's not easy as a HC and he deserves some credit for that, no matter how pissed I am at him for not using Stanzi. The players have to respect that at some level.

Extra Point · 12-11-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

- both crews were LAUGHING every time they updated the score and had to mention Palko.

The only thing to do, is record the next game, and make a drinking game rule, that each time "Palko" is mentioned, you have to do a shot of a clear drink. Each INT Picko throws, you have to do three.

First man to pass out or puke, wins.

jd1020 · 12-11-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

In preseason, with the third string and a vanilla offense. Are you telling me that without even seeing practice you know more than Haley and Zorn about who is better? Really? Get over yourself.

How many happy endings have you given Haley?

Bump · 12-11-2011, 05:34 PM

ya, it's not about Stanzi as much as it is about Palko. He's doesn't give anybody a chance to win, it's almost zero, the defense can't allow more than 7 points for a chance to win, that's not giving your team the best chance. I'd rather grab one of our d-lineman who once played QB in highschool then keep playing Palko, that would give us a better chance to win, seriously. And yes, I'm aware that we won a game with Palko, but that was all the defense and without a miracle play that has a 2% chance of working, we would have lost.

splatbass · 12-11-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I fully admit that while I value my own views, I don't see what coaches see. That being said, I think this situation is beyond that. There just really isn't a way Stanzi could be worse, and even if he is, what is the risk?

The risk is that you can ruin him forever. He could develop into a good QB, but if you throw him to the wolves it could set him back so much he can never recover. Is it worth that for a single game in a losing season?

splatbass · 12-11-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

How many happy endings have you given Haley?

As I said, get over yourself. You don't know shit. A self-appointed armchair expert.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-11-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I fully admit that while I value my own views, I don't see what coaches see. That being said, I think this situation is beyond that. There just really isn't a way Stanzi could be worse, and even if he is, what is the risk?

Sometimes as a coach you lose some perspective. You see Palko working hard as hell and maybe it influences you. You are getting paid a lot but people are human. In this case, I think the fans are just seeing it more clearly.

Well, we don't know what's driving the decision to start Palko. Haley's a smart guy and he's clearly building an offense around Palko's weaknesses. So I very highly doubt he's starting Palko because he thinks he's the better QB.

It could be that he doesn't want to signal to the team that the season is over. Like that decision or not, the team did play the last 3 games (prior to today) like a team that was fighting very hard for their coach and QB. Now that the Chiefs are pretty much mathematically eliminated, I don't think there's any way in hell that Palko starts. I would hope not, at least. If he does, then I feel like there's something going on behind the scenes... namely that Haley is mailing it in because he's fed up with the front office.

jd1020 · 12-11-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

As I said, get over yourself. You don't know shit. A self-appointed armchair expert.

Way to dodge the question. Haley taught you how to do that, right?

NJChiefsFan · 12-11-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

The risk is that you can ruin him forever. He could develop into a good QB, but if you throw him to the wolves it could set him back so much he can never recover. Is it worth that for a single game in a losing season?

The Chiefs are in a spot where they really need to do what they can to get a QB in the draft. For me that means putting in Stanzi and seeing what he has and then drafting a QB unless Stanzi BLOWS you away.

The NFL is showing more and more that you can start a young QB with the likes of Dalton ect. The way the Chiefs play offense, letting him run screens, draws, slants, and throwing down field twice isn't going to ruin him.

NJChiefsFan · 12-11-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Well, we don't know what's driving the decision to start Palko. Haley's a smart guy and he's clearly building an offense around Palko's weaknesses. So I very highly doubt he's starting Palko because he thinks he's the better QB.

It could be that he doesn't want to signal to the team that the season is over. Like that decision or not, the team did play the last 3 games (prior to today) like a team that was fighting very hard for their coach and QB. Now that the Chiefs are pretty much mathematically eliminated, I don't think there's any way in hell that Palko starts. I would hope not, at least. If he does, then I feel like there's something going on behind the scenes... namely that Haley is mailing it in because he's fed up with the front office.

We shall see. The season is over now. If Sanzi doesn't get a look now whats the reason? GB is sick, but its not like their defense has been a monster this season. Its at home and KC runs an offense that protects the QB from having to actually pass anyway.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-11-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

The risk is that you can ruin him forever. He could develop into a good QB, but if you throw him to the wolves it could set him back so much he can never recover. Is it worth that for a single game in a losing season?

I wouldn't worry about that. I don't think it's going to ruin him forever. Only mentally and if he's mentally beat up, he wasn't meant to be an NFL QB anyway. I do think that there's a lot to be said for... if he has some significant things to work out, then it's best to let him work out those kinks one at a time rather than have him overthink too many at one time on the field. You can't wait for him to be perfect, but it could just be that he's so raw right now that they don't feel comfortable putting him out on the field.

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12-07-2011, 11:54 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1615912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1504895	ya, it's not about Stanzi as much as it is about Palko. He's doesn't give anybody a chance to win, it's almost zero, the defense can't allow more than 7 points for a chance to win, that's not giving your team the best chance. I'd rather grab one of our d-lineman who once played QB in highschool then keep playing Palko, that would give us a better chance to win, seriously. And yes, I'm aware that we won a game with Palko, but that was all the defense and without a miracle play that has a 2% chance of working, we would have lost.
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