Chiefs vs Patriots - Page 5

Mythjp · 11-15-2004, 11:54 AM

I came here to talk football. But I was not expecting an air of surender that I have found here.

Come on Guys! All is not lost! The Chiefs still have a great O. The D will come in time. Not so long ago the Patriots crawled around on the bottom of the NFL. Look at them now! Have some faith in you team. So what if its not as good as you had hoped for. Come on it is still football. And hey you could have been like the Fins or Browns make all kinds of changes and get worse.

bideau · 11-16-2004, 09:25 AM

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Don't even try and talk fans with me,,,,I went to your board,,,,2 people online,,,,where are all of your fans,,,,,,and yea it is a lucky ride,,,enjoy it while you can.

Haven't you ever heard....size doesn't matter.

KCTitus · 11-16-2004, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

3. Pats have had an easier schedule than last year, but it's not a total cakewalk. Pittsburgh, Indy, Seattle, St. Louis and the Jets are all serious teams capable of beating anyone in any given week. My "back of the envelope" math tells me that the Patriots have played teams with a combined record of 41-40, while the Chiefs have played teams with a combined record of 44-37. HOWEVER!!! Since the Patriots are 8-1 and the Chiefs are 3-6, if you deduct those games, and go with a "record against OTHER opponents" metric, you get a Pats opponent combined record of 40-32 compared to 38-34 for the Chiefs. So I'm afraid your "you've had a tougher schedule to deal with" doesn't get too far.

Im not saying KC's had a tougher schedule...Im saying NE's had a cakewalk schedule. There is a difference in the two statements. I do believe in the 'any given sunday' witness KC's win over Indy, Atlanta or Baltimore as evidence and KC's losses over NO, Carolina as further evidence.

chiefs4me · 11-16-2004, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bideau

Haven't you ever heard....size doesn't matter.

Maybe in your world it doesn't matter,,,,but in my world,,size is very important.

chiefs4me · 11-16-2004, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Im not saying KC's had a tougher schedule...Im saying NE's had a cakewalk schedule. There is a difference in the two statements. I do believe in the 'any given sunday' witness KC's win over Indy, Atlanta or Baltimore as evidence and KC's losses over NO, Carolina as further evidence.

Any Given Sunday,,,,,,I love that movie.

Amnorix · 11-16-2004, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Im not saying KC's had a tougher schedule...Im saying NE's had a cakewalk schedule. There is a difference in the two statements. I do believe in the 'any given sunday' witness KC's win over Indy, Atlanta or Baltimore as evidence and KC's losses over NO, Carolina as further evidence.

I really don't think that a team who has had a schedule against teams with an aggregate .500 winning record has a "cakewalk" schedule. At least, not yet.

I DO think that by the end of the year, it may well be proven that the Patriots schedule for the entire season was a cakewalk. We have 7 games left, including ones against the 1-8 Dolphins and 2-7 Niners, the Bungals and Browns.

But the first half schedule does not appear to have been a cakewalk by any means.

bobbything · 11-16-2004, 09:34 AM

This is absolutely the worst thread I've ever read. I can't believe that most of the posts are comparing the Chiefs defense with New England's. Why, good Lord, why?

KC has absolutely no room to even mention the word defense. Our best defense this year has been Holmes, Green, Gonzo, Roaf, and Co. They stay on the field, Wesley, Holliday, Fujita, Mitchell, and Warfield are on the bench.

Any KC fan who uses the word "defense" to describe the team, and then tries to compare it to New England should be bukkaked in whale spunk.

That being said, New England cannot say we've "never seen a defense like this, bla bla bla." I don't care what you bring, KC can, and will, light anyone up for 30+. Only if KC scores 35+ then will they win this game, though. But, make no mistake, our offense will light you up, on a nationally televised game, at Camarohead.

But, KC will still find some way to lose.

KCTitus · 11-16-2004, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

This is absolutely the worst thread I've ever read. I can't believe that most of the posts are comparing the Chiefs defense with New England's. Why, good Lord, why?

A careful reading of the thread would help. Comparing run defenses is legitimate.

KCTitus · 11-16-2004, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I really don't think that a team who has had a schedule against teams with an aggregate .500 winning record has a "cakewalk" schedule. At least, not yet.

I DO think that by the end of the year, it may well be proven that the Patriots schedule for the entire season was a cakewalk. We have 7 games left, including ones against the 1-8 Dolphins and 2-7 Niners, the Bungals and Browns.

But the first half schedule does not appear to have been a cakewalk by any means.

A .500 aggregate record is what the league office is hoping for...so I dont find it altogether suprising. That said, actually looking at the schedule that includes Arizona, Dolphins 2x, Buffalo 2x, Niners and Cleveland helps more than hurts.

bobbything · 11-16-2004, 10:10 AM

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A careful reading of the thread would help. Comparing run defenses is legitimate.

Absolutely not. KC has given up 7 rushes of 20 yards or more. NE has given up 2. And not only has KC given up 17 passing TD's to NE's 9, KC gives up the 2nd most passing yards per attempt in the NFL.

Stats per game are meaningless. You cannot compare these two defenses on any level.

Edit: KC has also given up 10 rushing TD's to NE's 5.

Amnorix · 11-16-2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

A careful reading of the thread would help. Comparing run defenses is legitimate.

Seriously, it's just not.

I'm sure I could pull out Corey Dillon's statistics and Tom Brady's sack numbers and stuff and make what sounds like a decent comparison of the Patriots offensive line to yours, but seriously although I like our line and think it does yoeman's work and is fabulously well coached by the best assistant coach you never heard of whose name nobody can remember or spell anyway (Dante Scarnecchia), I just wouldn't bother to do it.

You're comparing your defense to one that has been the prime component of winning 21 games in a row and 2 out of the last 3 Super Bowls. We have 3 1st round draft picks on the defensive line, including All-Pro Richard Seymour. Our LBs consist of multiple pro bowler Willie McGinest, and perennially excellent Tedy Bruschi. Rodney Harrison is awesome in run defense and overall.

And you're comparing Huey, Dewey and Louie to these guys. It just doesn't float.

KCTitus · 11-16-2004, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

Absolutely not. KC has given up 7 rushes of 20 yards or more. NE has given up 2. And not only has KC given up 17 passing TD's to NE's 9, KC gives up the 2nd most passing yards per attempt in the NFL.

Stats per game are meaningless. You cannot compare these two defenses on any level.

I would never begin to compare passing defenses, KC is obviously worse. Again, when discussing the rushing defense, it's easier to defend against the run when the team is playing with a 10-14 point lead. The other team has to pass to catch up.

You use stats and then state stats are meaningless...ok, I follow that.

Amnorix · 11-16-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

A .500 aggregate record is what the league office is hoping for...so I dont find it altogether suprising. That said, actually looking at the schedule that includes Arizona, Dolphins 2x, Buffalo 2x, Niners and Cleveland helps more than hurts.

Yes, BUT WE HAVE NOT PLAYED HALF OF THOSE GAMES YET. At THIS point, both the Chiefs and Patriots have played an "average" schedule. By the end of the year, as I already said, the Pats will probably have an easier than average schedule, in retrospect.

Seriously -- you're smart, and I know you're smart. Why are you acting dumb?

And Arizona is 4-5, which *coughisbetterthantheChiefs* so I'm not sure I'd be so quick to diss them.

Amnorix · 11-16-2004, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

I would never begin to compare passing defenses, KC is obviously worse. Again, when discussing the rushing defense, it's easier to defend against the run when the team is playing with a 10-14 point lead. The other team has to pass to catch up.

So it's your contention that a team with the lead will focus on stopping the RUN?!?!?!

KCTitus · 11-16-2004, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

You're comparing your defense to one that has been the prime component of winning 21 games in a row and 2 out of the last 3 Super Bowls. We have 3 1st round draft picks on the defensive line, including All-Pro Richard Seymour. Our LBs consist of multiple pro bowler Willie McGinest, and perennially excellent Tedy Bruschi. Rodney Harrison is awesome in run defense and overall.

And you're comparing Huey, Dewey and Louie to these guys. It just doesn't float.

What Im saying is in a close game, I think KC can run on NE and will run on NE. I think KC could do to NE what it did to Baltimore.

KC's strength is rushing offense, NE's weak spot is run defense...that's what Im saying. Saying it's "great" or the power of the team, is in short, ludicrous when the rush defense is statistically close to KC's and that's with NE playing with a lead in the vast majority of their games.

KCTitus · 11-16-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

So it's your contention that a team with the lead will focus on stopping the RUN?!?!?!

Dont be obtuse...a team doesnt have to defend a phase of the game that is not attempted. When a team is down 14, they run less.

And all this time, I thought this was widely accepted as fact...silly me.

11-15-2004, 11:54 AM
Mythjp Rookie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Wayne Indiana Casino cash: $10004900	Chiefs vs Patriots I came here to talk football. But I was not expecting an air of surender that I have found here. Come on Guys! All is not lost! The Chiefs still have a great O. The D will come in time. Not so long ago the Patriots crawled around on the bottom of the NFL. Look at them now! Have some faith in you team. So what if its not as good as you had hoped for. Come on it is still football. And hey you could have been like the Fins or Browns make all kinds of changes and get worse.
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11-16-2004, 09:34 AM	#66
bobbything Distributor of Pain Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $8644900	This is absolutely the worst thread I've ever read. I can't believe that most of the posts are comparing the Chiefs defense with New England's. Why, good Lord, why? KC has absolutely no room to even mention the word defense. Our best defense this year has been Holmes, Green, Gonzo, Roaf, and Co. They stay on the field, Wesley, Holliday, Fujita, Mitchell, and Warfield are on the bench. Any KC fan who uses the word "defense" to describe the team, and then tries to compare it to New England should be bukkaked in whale spunk. That being said, New England cannot say we've "never seen a defense like this, bla bla bla." I don't care what you bring, KC can, and will, light anyone up for 30+. Only if KC scores 35+ then will they win this game, though. But, make no mistake, our offense will light you up, on a nationally televised game, at Camarohead. But, KC will still find some way to lose.
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