Sampson in the lead for the RT position. - Page 5

tyton75 · 06-22-2005, 08:40 AM

Vermeil was on 810 this morning talking about some stuff most of us already know..

Key Fox is ready to be a starter (whether he will be or not is yet to be determined)

Fredex is a talented reciever and good in traffic (per Vermeil)

Going to bring in some CB vets to try to shore things up.. Vermeil sounds like he isnt' comfortable with the current situation at CB

Waters is out of shape but Vermeil trusts that he will get back in shape.

But the eye opener to me was that he said Sampson would probably be the opening day RT... I was under the impression that it was Blacks job to lose.. but I guess Sampson is really looking good.

jspchief · 06-22-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

What LB position did Bell play in college?

This discussion is going on in about three different threads right now. It was posted in one of them. He played MLB in a 4-3 in college...further supporting my point.

milkman · 06-22-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

This discussion is going on in about three different threads right now. It was posted in one of them. He played MLB in a 4-3 in college...further supporting my point.

Let me reiterate my position here.

I agree wholeheartedly that Bell should be in the middle.

I just disagree that QBs are too smart for Bell to be effective as a pass rusher.
There are a few that are too smart for him to be effective, but there's also a number of them that ain't too bright.

I also disagree with you're comparison of Bell to Stills.

Bell has talent.
Stills is a scrub that has no business on the field with the defense, ever.

But if you ask me where do I think Bell would be the most effective and have the most impact, and where do I want to see him line up at, it's MLB, hands down.

htismaqe · 06-22-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

Let me reiterate my position here.

I agree wholeheartedly that Bell should be in the middle.

I just disagree that QBs are too smart for Bell to be effective as a pass rusher.
There are a few that are too smart for him to be effective, but there's also a number of them that ain't too bright.

I also disagree with you're comparison of Bell to Stills.

Bell has talent.
Stills is a scrub that has no business on the field with the defense, ever.

But if you ask me where do I think Bell would be the most effective and have the most impact, and where do I want to see him line up at, it's MLB, hands down.

I don't think anybody was suggesting that Bell is no more talented than Stills.

The problem is that if you make Bell a pass rushing specialist, you limit the number of chances he has to make an impact, just like Stills.

keg in kc · 06-22-2005, 12:21 PM

The other point here (and nobody will like this) but the way Gunther has designed the defense, Mitchell could well be better suited to play MLB than Bell. And Bell could well be exactly what he wants at OLB. There may be method to his madness. Who knows...

Either way, I want to see it on the field before I bitch about it. They all looked good Saturday from where I was sitting. Including, again, Mitchell. If that translates into play in pads in August, I don't think we're going to have much to complain about regardless of where Bell is playing.

jspchief · 06-22-2005, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SideWinder

Let me reiterate my position here.

I agree wholeheartedly that Bell should be in the middle.

I just disagree that QBs are too smart for Bell to be effective as a pass rusher.
There are a few that are too smart for him to be effective, but there's also a number of them that ain't too bright.

I also disagree with you're comparison of Bell to Stills.

Bell has talent.
Stills is a scrub that has no business on the field with the defense, ever.

But if you ask me where do I think Bell would be the most effective and have the most impact, and where do I want to see him line up at, it's MLB, hands down.

My comparison of Bell to Stills was meant in terms of how they are used, not ability or what they will acomplish.

And we'll just have to disagree on the QB issue. IMO, it's not just the QB, but also the design of offenses that has caused a drop in 4-3 OLBs effectively rushing the passer. There's no denying that 4-3 OLBs don't get to the QB as often as they used to. Sure on occasion it will still work. I'm just looking at it as an overall trend over the last 5+ years. Offenses have changed, and thus the way defenses get to the QB have too.

royr17 · 06-22-2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunther_Fan

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Thats stupid, Rich will make the team, if we put him on the PS, he will be gone, he wont even clear waivers and he will go to another team and do well.

The guy that needs to be put on PS is Boomer Grigsby, he's a rookie and Rich has shown more then he has.

CoMoChief · 06-22-2005, 12:26 PM

Personally I would think that we have enough talent at the LB position that we should use a 3-4 scheme, not thats gonna happen but I would think it would be a good idea...

LOLB - Derrick Johnson
LILB - Kendrell Bell
RILB - Kawika Mitchell
ROLB - Keyaron Fox

RE - Jared Allen
DT - Lional Dalton
LE - Carlos Hall (if we could switch him there from RE)

LCB - Patrick Surtain
RCB - Eric Warfield(considering no suspension)/Ty Law (If we can get him)
FS - Greg Wesley
SS - Sammy Knight

Just a little optimism I guess. I just hope no one would beat us downfield because I doubt our safeties could catch up with them.

**the Talking Can** · 06-22-2005, 12:26 PM

hopefully it will turn out we have 4 quality starting LBs...that is a good problem to have....

milkman · 06-22-2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't think anybody was suggesting that Bell is no more talented than Stills.

The problem is that if you make Bell a pass rushing specialist, you limit the number of chances he has to make an impact, just like Stills.

You may be right about his meaning.

If so, I apologize for giving so much greif for this statement.

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Bell will be exposed in pass coverage. As was stated by htismaqe in another thread, if we play Bell on the outside, we're going to turn him into another Gary Stills.

**the Talking Can** · 06-22-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BSPimpDude

Personally I would think that we have enough talent at the LB position that we should use a 3-4 scheme, not thats gonna happen but I would think it would be a good idea...

LOLB - Derrick Johnson
LILB - Kendrell Bell
RILB - Kawika Mitchell
ROLB - Keyaron Fox

RE - Jared Allen
DT - Lional Dalton
LE - Carlos Hall (if we could switch him there from RE)

That would be the worst 3-4 DL in a long, long time...scary...

royr17 · 06-22-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's not solely about size, but more about what a guy is athletically suited for. Bell played MLB in college and ILB at Pittsburgh. He's not a 4-3 OLB. Fox is. Fox has played OLB his entire life.

Wrong Again Parker. Key Fox played safety in his first years in college before moving to OLB.

beavis · 06-22-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by royr17

The guy that needs to be put on PS is Boomer Grigsby, he's a rookie and Rich has shown more then he has.

That's a bold statement, considering Boomer hasn't even put on shoulder pads yet.

shaneo69 · 06-22-2005, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SideWinder

But if you ask me where do I think Bell would be the most effective and have the most impact, and where do I want to see him line up at, it's MLB, hands down.

I think Gunther wants Bell to be a playmaker. But Gunther just wants his MLB in this scheme to be a tackling machine, like Tracy Simien or Marvcus Patton, two guys who didn't make big plays, just got a lot of tackles.

IMO, it's why he moved Donnie Edwards to OLB and why he'll leave Bell outside.

milkman · 06-22-2005, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

My comparison of Bell to Stills was meant in terms of how they are used, not ability or what they will acomplish.

And we'll just have to disagree on the QB issue. IMO, it's not just the QB, but also the design of offenses that has caused a drop in 4-3 OLBs effectively rushing the passer. There's no denying that 4-3 OLBs don't get to the QB as often as they used to. Sure on occasion it will still work. I'm just looking at it as an overall trend over the last 5+ years. Offenses have changed, and thus the way defenses get to the QB have too.

Sorry to have read a different meaning into it.

The bolded part, I do agree with.

milkman · 06-22-2005, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by royr17

Thats stupid, Rich will make the team, if we put him on the PS, he will be gone, he wont even clear waivers and he will go to another team and do well.

The guy that needs to be put on PS is Boomer Grigsby, he's a rookie and Rich has shown more then he has.

Yes he has.
The refs that kept throwing those yellow hankies out almost everytime he saw the field will testify to that.

06-22-2005, 08:40 AM
tyton75 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3838386	Sampson in the lead for the RT position. Vermeil was on 810 this morning talking about some stuff most of us already know.. Key Fox is ready to be a starter (whether he will be or not is yet to be determined) Fredex is a talented reciever and good in traffic (per Vermeil) Going to bring in some CB vets to try to shore things up.. Vermeil sounds like he isnt' comfortable with the current situation at CB Waters is out of shape but Vermeil trusts that he will get back in shape. But the eye opener to me was that he said Sampson would probably be the opening day RT... I was under the impression that it was Blacks job to lose.. but I guess Sampson is really looking good.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	The other point here (and nobody will like this) but the way Gunther has designed the defense, Mitchell could well be better suited to play MLB than Bell. And Bell could well be exactly what he wants at OLB. There may be method to his madness. Who knows... Either way, I want to see it on the field before I bitch about it. They all looked good Saturday from where I was sitting. Including, again, Mitchell. If that translates into play in pads in August, I don't think we're going to have much to complain about regardless of where Bell is playing.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	Personally I would think that we have enough talent at the LB position that we should use a 3-4 scheme, not thats gonna happen but I would think it would be a good idea... LOLB - Derrick Johnson LILB - Kendrell Bell RILB - Kawika Mitchell ROLB - Keyaron Fox RE - Jared Allen DT - Lional Dalton LE - Carlos Hall (if we could switch him there from RE) LCB - Patrick Surtain RCB - Eric Warfield(considering no suspension)/Ty Law (If we can get him) FS - Greg Wesley SS - Sammy Knight Just a little optimism I guess. I just hope no one would beat us downfield because I doubt our safeties could catch up with them. __________________
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