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philfree · 11-23-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I wonder if Trent would have better numbers along the sidelines if we had better WR's. Trent's QB rating when throwing to each sideline is below 70. He's got a 109.5 rating down the middle of the field though.

He's actually 8-12 with a 109.7 rating on passes thrown 20-30 yards. Pretty good actually. If you want your "I never would've guessed" stat of the week, Trent Green is 10-23 passing beyond 20 yards. Peyton Manning is 10-34 passing beyond 20 yards. Although Manning has 6 TD/3 INT in that range. Trent's just got 0 TD/1 INT. Kinda shows how we can't throw downfield as much though...

Being able to throw down field is dependant on pass blocking and the amount of time the QB has to set up and throw. That does make it more interesting in regards to Mannings numbers throwing the ball down field. From what I've seen the Colts O line has been playing better than ours so one would think that Manning would have better numbers over 20 yards then Green.

PhilFree

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-23-2005, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

We are never going to be able to win with a mediocre QB like Trent. What has this guy ever done for us?

Some teams win with QBs that are not as good as Green. 2 words, Trent Dilfer...

beer bacon · 11-23-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Some teams win with QBs that are not as good as Green. 2 words, Trent Dilfer...

This brings up another important point. What has Green ever done for our defense? NOTHING. Sure he has led one of the greatest offenses of this century, but he can't field a defense worth a shit. Way to go Trent!! Tom Brady would never allow our defense to be so horrible

Hammock Parties · 11-23-2005, 10:51 PM

I hope everyone appreciates beer bacon's sarcasm.

OldTownChief · 11-23-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

This brings up another important point. What has Green ever done for our defense? NOTHING. Sure he has led one of the greatest offenses of this century, but he can't field a defense worth a shit. Way to go Trent!! Tom Brady would never allow our defense to be so horrible

You had me going there for a minute bacon.

Rep

**cdcox** · 11-23-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Sometimes you need a top 5 player. If you know what you're doing in the draft you should never ever blow a top 5 pick. Carl blew that Sims pick but that was the player DV and Robinson wanted so it's just as much their faults. Hopefully whoever the next coach is has a better eye for talent.

This year for example, there's a DE Mario Williams, he's Julius Peppers esq. Now that's a player a team like ours could really use but we'll never come close to touching him.

Yeah, top 5 picks are gold, baby!

2004
1. San Diego Chargers Eli Manning, QB - Mississippi
2. Oakland Raiders Robert Gallery, OT - Iowa
3. Arizona Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald, WR - Pitt
4. New York Giants Phillip Rivers, QB - NC State
5. Washington Redskins Sean Taylor, S - Miami (Fl.)

2003

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB USC
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami (Fla.)
4 NY Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State

2002
1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State
2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina
3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon
4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas
5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas

**Bowser** · 11-23-2005, 11:58 PM

I might be wrong, but I would bet that the Lions would take Andre Johnson over Charles Rogers right about now.

**cdcox** · 11-24-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Based on this and the fact the Chiefs have not had success in 35 years we are
DOOMED !!!!!

Yeah, the Chiefs prove my point, don't they? Suck long enough, and it becomes a hard habit to break. We sucked in the regular season from '73 - '90. Then sucked in the post season from '91- '97. Now we've been consistently mediocre from '98 - '05.

A nice fat losing streak is just what this franchise needs. NOT.

arrowhead20 · 11-24-2005, 02:19 AM

the formula for converting speeds thrown would have to include: actual football throw speed, the weight of the football(15 oz), the distance thrown. compared to all of the above with a baseball. my wife has a bachelors in math, and she found that it takes less than half a second to throw a 5 oz baseball 60ft 6in @ 91 mph.
so, we figured that the statistitians clocked green's pass w/ radar and calculated it that way. we couldnt break down the equation as far as to figure the actual pass speed w/ the 15oz football, but we guesstimaed his throw time to be about 1.37 sec from green's hand to kennisons chest.
hope this helps everyones curiosity.

Chieftain58 · 11-24-2005, 08:52 AM

Physics? Is that some type of cereal?

OldTownChief · 11-24-2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by arrowhead20

the formula for converting speeds thrown would have to include: actual football throw speed, the weight of the football(15 oz), the distance thrown. compared to all of the above with a baseball. my wife has a bachelors in math, and she found that it takes less than half a second to throw a 5 oz baseball 60ft 6in @ 91 mph.
so, we figured that the statistitians clocked green's pass w/ radar and calculated it that way. we couldnt break down the equation as far as to figure the actual pass speed w/ the 15oz football, but we guesstimaed his throw time to be about 1.37 sec from green's hand to kennisons chest.
hope this helps everyones curiosity.

After all that you guesstimated? Hell I coulda done that,

patteeu · 11-24-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by arrowhead20

the formula for converting speeds thrown would have to include: actual football throw speed, the weight of the football(15 oz), the distance thrown. compared to all of the above with a baseball. my wife has a bachelors in math, and she found that it takes less than half a second to throw a 5 oz baseball 60ft 6in @ 91 mph.
so, we figured that the statistitians clocked green's pass w/ radar and calculated it that way. we couldnt break down the equation as far as to figure the actual pass speed w/ the 15oz football, but we guesstimaed his throw time to be about 1.37 sec from green's hand to kennisons chest.
hope this helps everyones curiosity.

Just FTR, the weight of the baseball doesn't have anything to do with how long it takes for the baseball to go 60ft 6in @ 91mph. You may already realize this, but I can't tell whether or not that's the case.

robot monster · 11-24-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Just FTR, the weight of the baseball doesn't have anything to do with how long it takes for the baseball to go 60ft 6in @ 91mph. You may already realize this, but I can't tell whether or not that's the case.

Well, no, but it has something to do with the force required to accelerate it to 91 mph

**cdcox** · 11-24-2005, 09:48 AM

In addition to the mass, you'd have to consider that the drag on the football will be much larger than the drag on a baseball.

The other thing about this equivalent stuff is that it ignores mechanics. I don't thing Green could just step up and throw a 91 mph fastball because he hasn't learned the mechanics of pitching.

Thig Lyfe · 11-24-2005, 10:15 AM

That was pretty nifty. I'm interested as to HOW they use physics to find the MLB equivalent.

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arrowhead20 DUHN DUHN DUUUHHHNNN!!!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas city Casino cash: $8059115	the formula for converting speeds thrown would have to include: actual football throw speed, the weight of the football(15 oz), the distance thrown. compared to all of the above with a baseball. my wife has a bachelors in math, and she found that it takes less than half a second to throw a 5 oz baseball 60ft 6in @ 91 mph. so, we figured that the statistitians clocked green's pass w/ radar and calculated it that way. we couldnt break down the equation as far as to figure the actual pass speed w/ the 15oz football, but we guesstimaed his throw time to be about 1.37 sec from green's hand to kennisons chest. hope this helps everyones curiosity. __________________ " we're the guys who pay your parking, who buy your 6$ beer, who put money in your pocket!!!!......DONT fuck WITH US!!!!!!!!!!!
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cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-568231	In addition to the mass, you'd have to consider that the drag on the football will be much larger than the drag on a baseball. The other thing about this equivalent stuff is that it ignores mechanics. I don't thing Green could just step up and throw a 91 mph fastball because he hasn't learned the mechanics of pitching.
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