Opinions on Ashcroft?

[Frazod]

I just watched a piece on the news about the coming battle over Ashcroft's nomination as AG. The Demonrats are breaking out the torches and pitchforks over this one.

Outside of the basics (anti-affirmative action, anti-abortion, etc.), I don't know much about him - I haven't lived in Missouri since '84. The liberal press paints him as a monster, but I'm curious to hear other opinions.

[Alton deFlat]

I know this doesn't directly relate to this topic, and I'm certainly not a big fan of David Letterman, but this was his "Top Ten List" last night. I thought some of these were really funny.


Top Ten Ways George W. Bush Is Preparing For The Presidency

10.Drafting legisltion to make 2001 "Take Your Father To Work Year"

9.To familiarize himself with military protocol, watching "F-Troop"

8.Planning to return to Texas to guest-host executions

7.Getting Linda Chavez to round up some illegal aliens to do a few chores around the White House

6.He's been nailing interns because dammit -- that's what presidents do!

5.Convincing Secret Service to change his code name from "Dumbass"

4.Practicing getting sick on world leaders just like dad

3.Making sure inaugural festivities don't include a
breathalyzer test

2.Like every other American, is on his hands and knees saying, "Please lord, don't let Bush screw up"

1.Rehearsing his two-word inaugural speech: "Yee-haw!"

[Mi_chief_fan]

LOL @ # 60. Those were hilarious!

[Alton deFlat]

Numbers 5 and 6 are my favorites. I darn near busted a gut last night, when he read them.

[Mark M]

JC--
I also have to agree with your take that Democrats are doing this just to "get even" as it were. I posted the links to back up my argument why I didn't want him to be appointed (following up from my post, #9). I [b]did not[/b], however, sign the petition that was also on the site. Let the guy get elected and, if I'm wrong, great. At least we'll have someone in there with integrity of beliefs. If, on the other hand, he pushes forth a right-wing agenda, I'll be the first to rail on him and say "I told you so." I hope I'm wrong.

#60 is classic stuff!!

MM
~~As he's said before, doesn't mind eating crow if its for the greater good.

[Mi_chief_fan]

I had to crack up at #2. I can see George Sr. & Barbara doing this in church.

[Raiderhater]

Some of you have trouble beliving that Ashcroft will be able to set his beliefs aside and follow thew law. Why? Have you had these same concerns with other ADs? Ashcroft has a proven record of upholding the law, even when he didn't agree with them, as Mizzou state AD. Let me explain something to you as a Born Again Beliver. The Bible teaches that we are to obey authorities even if we don't belive them to be right. We belive that government is ordained by God, and therefore we should submit to it. Granted, there are Christians out there that ignore that commandment, but they are wrong. How can Ashcroft put aside his beliefs and do his job? Be cause he is an honorable man who does what is right (I know this is a difficult concept after the past 8 years). If he doesn't follow the law, than he is not following his religious beliefs that he claims to have. You see people think his religious beliefs will interfere with his job, but actually they help him do it correctly.


p.s. were are you guys getting
all these different smilies
that are not listed?

[Mark M]

raider[i]hader[/i]--
Very good points. I heard something to the same effect on NPR yesterday. I guess I'm just one who believes that if you hold a conviction, you always do. You don't change it to suit whatever job you have or to please those in power.

The smilies link is on the Anderson/Broncos disagree thread. There are some classics!! Click the links on the left side of the page ... I've wasted too much of my time looking at them today, so I'll check you guys later. As much as I would like them to, they don't pay me to play on the net all day!
[img]http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm/errrr.gif[/img]

MM
~~Will check later.

[KCWolfman]

Mark M - But Ashcroft has set aside personal beliefs in the past to uphold laws he disagrees with on a daily basis....

My question is where was all the concern from the dems for Joe Lieberman and the possibility of his religious background influencing his decisions?

Where was the concern for Bill Clinton doing the same thing? After all, he announced he sought guidance and counselling from his pastor when he was caught committing adultery.

Why is it that the dems are only concerned with the Republicans religious convictions?

[Mi_chief_fan]

What about him losing to a dead guy, Russ? ;)

Did you get the e-mails?

[KCWolfman]

Joe - I did, my George Bush monkey faces from the first post are on my wall at work.

Bill on camera was great.

[Raiderhater]

"Very good points. I heard something to the same effect on NPR yesterday. I guess I'm just one who believes that if you hold a conviction, you always do. You don't change it to suit whatever job you have or to please those in power."


Mark,
It is because he holds a conviction that he will uphold the law. As I stated the Bible teaches us Christians to be submissive to government. So when he upholds a law that he doesn't agree with, it is because he acting off of conviction. And thanks for the link to the smilies.


MCF, what about him losing to a dead guy? What is your point? Lets look at some facts. First you a canadite who dies, and then the Governor tells [i]in advance[/i] of the election that he is going to appoint the deceased's widow (if that isn't partisan politics I don't know what is). Secondly you have to look at all the fraud that took place in Mizzou, especially in St. Loui with Little Trick Dick Gehphardt's former chief of staff turned judge. Now I ask you why you think Ashcroft lost to a dead guy?

[Mark M]

Wolfman--
Not being a democrat, I don't know why they do that. Lieberman was a reason I didn't vote for Gore. I like to be consistent in my doubt of overly-religious people taking public office! :D

raider[i]hader[/i]--
I am glad that you (as well as many others on this board) are true Christians. Unfortunately, from my persoanl experience, you all are in the minority.

MM
~~May be going to hell in a bucket, but at least he's enjoying the ride.

[Edited by Mark M on 01-17-2001 at 06:02 PM]

[Raiderhater]

Mark,
I don't know as though I would question someone else's faith. There are plenty of true Christians that are misguided on some issues. They can be shown that they are wrong. And just because someone doesn't come around right away doesn't mean that they are not true Christians. It just takes some people some time to deal with their pride and other issues. As for you going to hell, well from the way I read my Bible the fun you have now will not be worth it. But that is your choice to make. I am not trying to "convert" you so don't lay in on me about preaching to you, I am just giving you some food for thought.

[Frazod]

Hmmm, many interesting points of view.

Now, my opinions on Ashcroft, based on what I've read and seen:

1. He seems like an honorable man (for a politician, anyway). My opinion of his loss to Carnahan was based primarily on two factors: the fact that he stopped campaigning completely after the Governor's death, and Broncoesque cheating on the part of the Demonrats by keeping the polls open in St. Louis. I admire the man for his actions in respecting his deceased opponent and not whining about questionable election results, unlike a certain soon-to-be-ex-Vice President.

2. I agree with most of his beliefs, like opposition to UNequal opportunity hiring, pro-gun, and especially a hard line on crime. I have no doubt that the judge he labeled as "pro-criminal" was just that. In fact, my idea of what should be done to the hordes of maggots who devote their lives to raping, robbing and murdering the rest of us would probably make Ashcroft seem liberal by comparison. Go get 'em, John.

3. I don't see eye-to-eye with him on his hardline anti-abortion stand, but I don't think in the end it will make much difference. As AG, he won't make policy, but rather enforce it. He'll do what's he's told, whether he likes it or not.

4. GW has went out of his way to hire people acceptable to the left. Is it too much to ask for him to attempt to satisfy the wishes of people in his own party, you know, the ones who actually VOTED FOR HIM? Remember, HE WON. GW has created the most ethnically-diverse cabinet in history. The Demonrats are whining for whining's sake, and I'm sick of hearing it.

So Ashcroft works for me, and I believe he will, in the end, get the job. Liberals, DEAL WITH IT.

[Mark M]

raider[i]hader[/i]--
I would never do that to you, dude! :D Besides, I've been given enough food from you (as well as others on this board and elsewhere) to feed me for a lifetime (and being well fed is never a bad thing)! I realize that I am in the minority on my religous views. To be honest, I consider myself an agnostic rather than an atheist mainly because I have yet to find one religion that satisfies both my soul [i]and[/i] my mind. Perhaps someday I will.

And I hope no one here thinks I'm some devil worshipping heathen. And I also hope you all realize that I'm not [i]totally[/i] against Ashcroft. I have my doubts and hope that I'm proven wrong ... for the good of all of us, Christian or not.

MM
~~He may disagree with someones religious views, but he'd never insult anyone because of them.