Edwards promises offensive changes for Chiefs - Page 5

Oz_Chief · 01-07-2007, 10:59 PM

...but Solari stays.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16406684.htm

By Adam Teicher

McClatchy Newspapers

(MCT)

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - One day after a pathetic performance bounced his team from the playoffs, Herm Edwards promised offensive changes for the Chiefs in 2007.

Edwards said he couldn't be specific about many of the changes because they are still to be decided. But he indicated they would probably include a different scheme_and maybe a new starting quarterback.

They won't include a new coordinator. Edwards said Mike Solari would continue in that job no matter what type of offense the Chiefs use.

Edwards also said defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham and the rest of his assistant coaches would be welcome to return next season.

Edwards has contemplated changes through the course of a bumpy offensive season. Saturday's 23-8 loss to the Colts in a first-round playoff game in Indianapolis helped drive home the point.

The Chiefs had 126 yards and failed to get a first down until their eighth possession.

"We didn't handle their speed real well," Edwards said.

"We have to take a hard look at ourselves. You have to be realistic and ask yourself if we're really capable of (successfully running their current system). I want to make sure of one thing: Whatever type of system we run, young players have to be able to play. They can't wait a year or two to get on the field. I don't want to be in a situation where young guys who have some talent can't play because the system is too complex.

"There are some things we do very well. There are things we can do even better. That's what I'm talking about here: How do we do these things better? It's not a laundry list of things. These are just things that allow us to get the football to the right players."

Edwards said the Chiefs would keep their power running game centered on Larry Johnson and a play-action passing game. But they will simplify by cutting back on the number of plays and their complexities.

Those changes would be aimed toward making things easier for younger players. Edwards wouldn't identify those players he would like to play more next season, but he may have been talking about rookie wide receivers Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon and perhaps even rookie quarterback Brodie Croyle.

"I just know it has to be player-friendly," Edwards said. "It has to be something that young players at all positions can play. I want to give the quarterback even more ability to change some things at the line of scrimmage. I want him to have the ability to get to anything we have right now.

Edwards wouldn't address the issue of whether Trent Green would return as the starting quarterback. Green's play dropped off significantly this season after he missed eight games because of a concussion.

"That's not even something we're discussing right now," Edwards said. "There are a whole lot of other things we have to do as far as the program before we start worrying about player situations. That's second on the agenda."

But his refusal to back Green, who will turn 37 next summer, speaks loudly. The conservative Edwards believes in ball control above all. Green committed three turnovers in the final regular-season game against Jacksonville and three more in the loss to the Colts.

He had no such hesitation about supporting Solari, a career offensive-line coach until promoted to coordinator by Edwards this season.

"I told Mike today that he did a good job for his first year," Edwards said. "That's a tough seat he's sitting in. A lot of the things that happened to us - losing some players, losing the quarterback_affected him. He had never called an offensive play. That's hard. He will be so much better next year. It won't even be close.

"Mike's the guy. He's going to be a heck of an offensive coordinator. Next year will be a lot different for him. I was so much better my second year as a head coach. He'll gain more confidence. He knows me better now. Mike had to learn the passing game. You don't learn that in a year unless you're a coordinator. He was an offensive-line coach. That's something he had to go through."

Edwards also said he was pleased with how he and Cunningham worked together.

"We think a whole lot alike as far as the things we want to get done," he said. "I know people think he's blitz-crazy, but he's really not. He's got to do what the players allow him to do."

**btlook1** · 01-08-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

I say we have Trent Retire. Make him Offensive Coordinator. Trent really couldn't do anything he wanted to do on offense. He made all of those plays when he was hurt and not a one of them used. Bring up Brodie, and let him chuck it.

Trent calling the plays can't be bad I'm sure he could do better than Solari! Sounds good to me! Let's do it!

Redcoats58 · 01-08-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Let me get this straight. We struggled because we were far too simple on offense, and the solution is to get even simpler?

Herm apparently thinks the whole KC fan base are simpletons.

**Easy 6** · 01-08-2007, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Let me get this straight. We struggled because we were far too simple on offense, and the solution is to get even simpler?

Yeah, it doesnt read well does it???

I think what he really means is that he wants a huge influx of young players for 07 & the only way he can do it is to simplify the system.

He said NOTHING about the situational playcalling, which of course is the real culprit.

Eric · 01-08-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG K

How the **** do you simplify run left, run right and pass on 3rd down? Jesus, how much more can Edwards simplify his game plan? He has the most predictable playbook in town, now he wants to make it easier? **** renewing my Sunday Ticket! I would rather staple my own foreskin to my forehead than watch another game directed by this idiot....

Refering to WR's and passing game.

FringeNC · 01-08-2007, 12:27 AM

If this offense is so hard to learn, how was Martz able to take the Rams from about the worst offense in the league to the best his first year?

kcxiv · 01-08-2007, 12:27 AM

Herm dont bother me yet. He did an ok job, he mad some choices that were questionable.

He needs to learn if you have a offense that can put up points, let them freaking do it.

Sure-Oz · 01-08-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

If this offense is so hard to learn, how was Martz able to take the Rams from about the worst offense in the league to the best his first year?

Didn't they trade for Faulk, have Bruce and drafted Holt?! 3 incredible talents!

ChiefsCountry · 01-08-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Didn't they trade for Faulk, have Bruce and drafted Holt?! 3 incredible talents!

And Warner, plus had all-world Pace at LT.

**doomy3** · 01-08-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

If this offense is so hard to learn, how was Martz able to take the Rams from about the worst offense in the league to the best his first year?

he didn't have quite so much luck with the Lions though did he?

Maybe it had something to do with the players he had. Bruce, Holt, Faulk, etc...Not too bat of a nucleus to build that type of offense around in St. Louis

FringeNC · 01-08-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Didn't they trade for Faulk, have Bruce and drafted Holt?! 3 incredible talents!

If Kurt Warner can immediately pick up the offense, why can't Brodie Croyle? Herm is so full of shit...

**Easy 6** · 01-08-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Didn't they trade for Faulk, have Bruce and drafted Holt?! 3 incredible talents!

Throw in Orlando Pace & that IS a recipe for quick success

FringeNC · 01-08-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Throw in Orlando Pace & that IS a recipe for quick success

Sure, they had talent, but that's not the issue. They had a lot of young players who didn't know the system.....yet immediately learned it and were able to execute it flawlessly...and Herm is telling us that's impossible...

**doomy3** · 01-08-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

If Kurt Warner can immediately pick up the offense, why can't Brodie Croyle? Herm is so full of shit...

Are you serious right now? Warner had been around football much longer and picked many more offenses than Croyle. There is something to be said for experience. Warner had played several years in football after college, unlike Croyle. Plus, Croyle was hurt for most of camp.

**doomy3** · 01-08-2007, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Sure, they had talent, but that's not the issue. They had a lot of young players who didn't know the system.....yet immediately learned it and were able to execute it flawlessly...and Herm is telling us that's impossible...

There is a HUGE difference between Pace and Black learning the system. Or Holt and Jeff Webb.

FringeNC · 01-08-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Are you serious right now? Warner had been around football much longer and picked many more offenses than Croyle. There is something to be said for experience. Warner had played several years in football after college, unlike Croyle. Plus, Croyle was hurt for most of camp.

And Croyle played in this offense in college....

You're missing the point. No one is saying experience doesn't matter. Herm is making an assertion that our offense is too complicated for our young players to learn. The reality of the situation is that our offense is too complicated for someone as IQ-challenged as Herm Edwards to understand. Herm simply does not understand the concept of game theory (optimal strategies), and thinks football is only about hitting people in the mouth.

01-07-2007, 10:59 PM
Oz_Chief Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Casino cash: $-2004899	Edwards promises offensive changes for Chiefs ...but Solari stays. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16406684.htm By Adam Teicher McClatchy Newspapers (MCT) KANSAS CITY, Mo. - One day after a pathetic performance bounced his team from the playoffs, Herm Edwards promised offensive changes for the Chiefs in 2007. Edwards said he couldn't be specific about many of the changes because they are still to be decided. But he indicated they would probably include a different scheme_and maybe a new starting quarterback. They won't include a new coordinator. Edwards said Mike Solari would continue in that job no matter what type of offense the Chiefs use. Edwards also said defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham and the rest of his assistant coaches would be welcome to return next season. Edwards has contemplated changes through the course of a bumpy offensive season. Saturday's 23-8 loss to the Colts in a first-round playoff game in Indianapolis helped drive home the point. The Chiefs had 126 yards and failed to get a first down until their eighth possession. "We didn't handle their speed real well," Edwards said. "We have to take a hard look at ourselves. You have to be realistic and ask yourself if we're really capable of (successfully running their current system). I want to make sure of one thing: Whatever type of system we run, young players have to be able to play. They can't wait a year or two to get on the field. I don't want to be in a situation where young guys who have some talent can't play because the system is too complex. "There are some things we do very well. There are things we can do even better. That's what I'm talking about here: How do we do these things better? It's not a laundry list of things. These are just things that allow us to get the football to the right players." Edwards said the Chiefs would keep their power running game centered on Larry Johnson and a play-action passing game. But they will simplify by cutting back on the number of plays and their complexities. Those changes would be aimed toward making things easier for younger players. Edwards wouldn't identify those players he would like to play more next season, but he may have been talking about rookie wide receivers Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon and perhaps even rookie quarterback Brodie Croyle. "I just know it has to be player-friendly," Edwards said. "It has to be something that young players at all positions can play. I want to give the quarterback even more ability to change some things at the line of scrimmage. I want him to have the ability to get to anything we have right now. Edwards wouldn't address the issue of whether Trent Green would return as the starting quarterback. Green's play dropped off significantly this season after he missed eight games because of a concussion. "That's not even something we're discussing right now," Edwards said. "There are a whole lot of other things we have to do as far as the program before we start worrying about player situations. That's second on the agenda." But his refusal to back Green, who will turn 37 next summer, speaks loudly. The conservative Edwards believes in ball control above all. Green committed three turnovers in the final regular-season game against Jacksonville and three more in the loss to the Colts. He had no such hesitation about supporting Solari, a career offensive-line coach until promoted to coordinator by Edwards this season. "I told Mike today that he did a good job for his first year," Edwards said. "That's a tough seat he's sitting in. A lot of the things that happened to us - losing some players, losing the quarterback_affected him. He had never called an offensive play. That's hard. He will be so much better next year. It won't even be close. "Mike's the guy. He's going to be a heck of an offensive coordinator. Next year will be a lot different for him. I was so much better my second year as a head coach. He'll gain more confidence. He knows me better now. Mike had to learn the passing game. You don't learn that in a year unless you're a coordinator. He was an offensive-line coach. That's something he had to go through." Edwards also said he was pleased with how he and Cunningham worked together. "We think a whole lot alike as far as the things we want to get done," he said. "I know people think he's blitz-crazy, but he's really not. He's got to do what the players allow him to do."
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