Chiefs Jared Allen <=> Brandon Albert?

**petegz28** · 12-01-2008, 08:03 AM

I would throw Dorsey in the mix but Albert has been the only one performing. Now, was Albert worth trading Allen?

I say, yes. Albert has been great for a rookie who did not play the pre-season, etc, etc. I think good-great LT's are a more valued commodity than a good-great DE.

So with all the talk going on about Allen, was Albert worth the trade?

phisherman · 12-01-2008, 08:10 AM

a good LT is worth it.

Chiefnj2 · 12-01-2008, 08:14 AM

Lets see how long and at what cost it takes to replace Allen. People are talking about taking Orakpo in the top 5. He'll demand money similar to Allen and who knows if he will be any good.

PhillyChiefFan · 12-01-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Lets see how long and at what cost it takes to replace Allen. People are talking about taking Orakpo in the top 5. He'll demand money similar to Allen and who knows if he will be any good.

That is the only caveat to asking a comparison question. We need to replace a great DE, and now we have to hope that the next one pans out. I like Orakpo but he hasn't proven anything at all in the NFL (obviously), meanwhile JA has definitly proven himself.

And JA was a 4th rounder.

Delano · 12-01-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Lets see how long and at what cost it takes to replace Allen. People are talking about taking Orakpo in the top 5. He'll demand money similar to Allen and who knows if he will be any good.

How long and at what cost will it take to replace the one year remaining on Allen's contract? I hope you can concede that Allen would have signed elsewhere this upcoming offseason. If so, we would be looking at a DE in the draft ANYWAY as well as a LT, a backup RB, and more DB help (since we would not have received the trade).

PhillyChiefFan · 12-01-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano

How long and at what cost will it take to replace the one year remaining on Allen's contract? I hope you can concede that Allen would have signed elsewhere this upcoming offseason. If so, we would be looking at a DE in the draft ANYWAY as well as a LT, a backup RB, and more DB help (since we would not have received the trade).

Chiefnj2 · 12-01-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano

How long and at what cost will it take to replace the one year remaining on Allen's contract? I hope you can concede that Allen would have signed elsewhere this upcoming offseason. If so, we would be looking at a DE in the draft ANYWAY as well as a LT, a backup RB, and more DB help (since we would not have received the trade).

If the question is was it better to get a 1st and 2 3rds for a player that will only play one more year, then it is a no brainer that doesn't require any discussion whatsoever.

In the bigger picture, if I were GM I reach a deal with my only talented defensive player at the most important defensive position and wrap him up long term.

EyePod · 12-01-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Lets see how long and at what cost it takes to replace Allen. People are talking about taking Orakpo in the top 5. He'll demand money similar to Allen and who knows if he will be any good.

I don't think he'll be getting money similar to Allen. I mean, JA got the biggest deal for a defensive end, didn't he? I agree that we miss him, but this is rebuilding. We shouldn't pay someone like JA when we're this terrible.

Brock · 12-01-2008, 09:52 AM

Orakpo might not be Jared Allen, but he also isn't on the verge of being suspended for a season if he takes the wrong cold medicine or whatever.

Chiefnj2 · 12-01-2008, 10:02 AM

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Orakpo might not be Jared Allen, but he also isn't on the verge of being suspended for a season if he takes the wrong cold medicine or whatever.

Allen isn't on the verge of being suspended a year either. His slate was wiped clean months ago.

Brock · 12-01-2008, 10:03 AM

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Allen isn't on the verge of being suspended a year either. His slate was wiped clean months ago.

At the time he was and it wasn't.

BigRock · 12-01-2008, 01:40 PM

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Allen isn't on the verge of being suspended a year either. His slate was wiped clean months ago.

His slate with the substance abuse program was wiped clean. That means nothing as far as Goodell is concerned.

Make no mistake, if Allen gets popped for another DUI -- which would mean another arrest after he's already been suspended for this same offense -- he is screwed beyond all recognition.

BigChiefFan · 12-01-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

I don't think he'll be getting money similar to Allen. I mean, JA got the biggest deal for a defensive end, didn't he? I agree that we miss him, but this is rebuilding. We shouldn't pay someone like JA when we're this terrible.

So we should let Thiggy walk when his contract is up?Afterall the team still sucks.

Delano · 12-01-2008, 08:16 AM

As a Minnesota Twins baseball fan, I kind of compared certain aspects of the Jared Allen trade with the Johan Santana trade.

The thing that got me through both of them (without knowing how the traded players or draft picks would turn out) was knowing there was absolutely NO shot at resigning that player when their contract was up. There was no way Jared was coming back.

Three draft picks are worth the last year of a contract for a guy that doesn't want to play for your team.

As many have said, getting a long term left offensive tackle, a running back and safety are easily worth the one year of Jared Allen.

KChiefs1 · 12-01-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Delano

Three draft picks are worth the last year of a contract for a guy that doesn't want to play for your team.

As many have said, getting a long term left offensive tackle, a running back and safety are easily worth the one year of Jared Allen.

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