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KCJohnny · 12-25-2008, 05:04 AM

Shop For Free Agents: Who would You Pick Up?

Scout.com 2009 Free Agency Rankings

Chiefs have only 17 players on the 47 man roster with 4 years or more experience. That's 18 rookies, 30 guys total in their 3rd year or less. That makes Kansas City the youngest team in the NFL. The departure of players like Pat Surtain, Damon Huard and Donnie Edwards would make the Chiefs even less bouyed by experience.

The Chiefs will in all likelihood bid on some of the players listed at site linked to above. Anybody got your attention? With the team $32 mil under the salary cap, I think the FO can afford a bit of a shopping spree.

Me? Julius Peppers and Albert Haynesworth would look great in red & gold. Safetyman Yeremiah Bell is only in his 5th year.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year,
KCJohnny

Mecca · 12-25-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I really like Bryant. It just depends on the type of HC we bring in.

I also 100% disagree you have to make a free agent the highest paid player in the league. You just have to offer him more than anyone else. Terrell Suggs is not going to become the highest paid NFL player in free agency.

It would have to be significantly more thougyh, Suggs is going to be pursued by nearly every team I'm sure so I don't think something like say 5 mill difference would make him pick a 2-14 team over a contender.

Micjones · 12-25-2008, 11:30 PM

Terrell Suggs and Jason Brown for my money.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-26-2008, 01:18 AM

Wes Welker cost the Patriots a second rounder in a trade, he wasn't a free agent.

Again, people look at the first two years of a FA contract and assume that it's a good deal because of that. It's never the first two years of a FA signing that get you into trouble, it's the later years of the contract and the reerunation of the development of players behind that player that make it costly.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-26-2008, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It would have to be significantly more thougyh, Suggs is going to be pursued by nearly every team I'm sure so I don't think something like say 5 mill difference would make him pick a 2-14 team over a contender.

I 100% think 5 million more is going to make him go somewhere. The players association would put a lot of pressure on him to take a deal where he got more money regardless of team record.

Money talks, bullshit walks.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-26-2008, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I 100% think 5 million more is going to make him go somewhere. The players association would put a lot of pressure on him to take a deal where he got more money regardless of team record.

Money talks, bullshit walks.

5 million more over the total of a contract wouldn't make a difference. You are talking about probably 700 K per year. 5 mil per year would, but then you are probably paying him 15 million a year.

Wilson8 · 12-26-2008, 01:25 AM

The Chiefs NEED players at DE, LB, QB, and OL. If they want to compete in 2009, they cannot do this through the draft alone. They have to go after at least 2 free agents. I agree that the way to build a team is through the draft but smart free agency shopping will allow Kansas City to be a competitive team this next season.

QB - Matt Cassel

LB – Channing Crowder, Angelo Crowell, Karlos Dansby, Michael Boley, Leroy Hill, Mike Peterson, Andra Davis, and Jonathan Vilma are some of the free agent LBs that would be available.

DE – Julius Peppers and Terrell Suggs

OL – Vernon Carey, Mark Tauscher, John St. Clair, Mike Goff, Jason Brown, Matt Birk, and Eric Heitmann

Of these names, I’d pick two or three of the following; Jason Brown, (Julius Peppers or Terrell Suggs), Jonathan Vilma, and Matt Cassel.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-26-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

The Chiefs NEED players at DE, LB, QB, and OL. If they want to compete in 2009, they cannot do this through the draft alone. They have to go after at least 2 free agents. I agree that the way to build a team is through the draft but smart free agency shopping will allow Kansas City to be a competitive team this next season.

QB - Matt Cassel

LB – Channing Crowder, Angelo Crowell, Karlos Dansby, Michael Boley, Leroy Hill, Mike Peterson, Andra Davis, and Jonathan Vilma are some of the free agent LBs that would be available.

DE – Julius Peppers and Terrell Suggs

OL – Vernon Carey, Mark Tauscher, John St. Clair, Mike Goff, Jason Brown, Matt Birk, and Eric Heitmann

Of these names, I’d pick two or three of the following; Jason Brown, (Julius Peppers or Terrell Suggs), Jonathan Vilma, and Matt Cassel.

How many times do we have to say this?

It's not a one year rebuild. Period. I don't want to be like Miami. That's a .500 team next year at best. We aren't playing the two worst divisions in football, we've got a ruinous schedule, we'd be lucky to go 8-8 even with a huge infusion of talent that would still hamper the long term interests of the team. If you want to add 2 or 3 complementary players at positions like Guard or Linebacker, that's cool, but don't think that anything is going to get this team to compete next year, because it isn't happening.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-26-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

5 million more over the total of a contract wouldn't make a difference. You are talking about probably 700 K per year. 5 mil per year would, but then you are probably paying him 15 million a year.

The Players Association will always push for the player to sign the richest deal he can regardless of destination. It elevates all potential franchise/transition player deals down the road.

If the Chiefs offer 5 million more for Suggs than everyone else, he would absolutely be a Kansas City Chief.

mylittlepony · 12-26-2008, 03:28 AM

Ray Lewis,

now please hear me out. Rays contract runs out this year and the Ravens must see that he is on his way out. Now what would a Ray Lewis to Kansas City trade meen for all parties?

- Ray, wants to become a NFLPA top (atleast I think so, he is a mentor to alot of kids in this league he has the reputation to have a long career in the NFLPA after he is done). Now what better thing then to join the team with the most rookies. What better thing to put on your resume then that you in your last years helped rebuild the youngest team in football. You reached out to the young players.

- The players, young players need guidence and coaching and there are some things the coaches just cant do. Who better then Ray Lewis to introduce them to the NFL and show them what its like to be professionals. This guy is already a mentor to alot of players to get his helping hand in the KC locker-room would be a stat that would defenatly be hard to meassure but surely beneficial.

- The coaches, first of all they will get a helping hand in teaching these young players the stuff thats beyond the x:es and the o:s. Ray also buildt the weight lifting culture in baltimore he is the guy you will see training day in and out and looking at his career young kids will take after that. And what KC is really trying to build is a winning culture. Ray is all about winning.

Just my 2c

KCJohnny · 12-26-2008, 06:14 AM

I thought about Ray Ray. His leadership would really settle that young D down. His attitude would fire them up. He has been amazingly resilient when it comes to injuries. And he's never played on a bad defense.

My only problem with Lewis is that he's 34 or 35 next year which is a greybeard for ILBs. But would I like to see him elevate the entire D next year? You betcha.

Wilson8 · 12-26-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

How many times do we have to say this?

It's not a one year rebuild. Period. I don't want to be like Miami. That's a .500 team next year at best.

The players on my list are all young, Brown 25, Peppers 28, Suggs 26, Cassel 26 and Vilma 26. Signing a couple of good free agents and adding 4 possible starters through the draft is not a one season fix. I’m asking for competitive, which means KC is in most games and instead of being in the running for the top draft pick; they at least have an outside chance at a playoff spot. Like you, I think 8 – 8 would be a good thing given the schedule.

whoman69 · 12-26-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The Players Association will always push for the player to sign the richest deal he can regardless of destination. It elevates all potential franchise/transition player deals down the road.

If the Chiefs offer 5 million more for Suggs than everyone else, he would absolutely be a Kansas City Chief.

Pipe dream. Players aren't going to sign on to a situation that is a dead end. You are also forgetting that Clark Hunt has not shown any signs that he is willing to open up the check book. Minnesota paid top dollar for their FA's and are fighting to hold on to win one of the weakest divisions in football. The Jets went out and spent big money on players besides Favre and they are barely over .500 playing more than half their games against the AFC and NFC west. Washington is the biggest spender in the league and what have they got to show for it. Do Pittsburg, New England and Indianapolis go out and spend the money for the top free agents. Let the other teams go out there and tie up their money in big money guys that may not do well in their system. Bring in some guys that can get the job done and look to the draft for your superstars. Does anybody else see Terrell Suggs as a guy not asked to do anything but rush the QB in a defense that has talent around him?

kcchiefsus · 12-26-2008, 10:03 AM

It's not even worth arguing about. You should add talent to your roster however you can get it but some idiots just don't see it.

kcchiefsus · 12-26-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Pipe dream. Players aren't going to sign on to a situation that is a dead end. You are also forgetting that Clark Hunt has not shown any signs that he is willing to open up the check book. Minnesota paid top dollar for their FA's and are fighting to hold on to win one of the weakest divisions in football. The Jets went out and spent big money on players besides Favre and they are barely over .500 playing more than half their games against the AFC and NFC west. Washington is the biggest spender in the league and what have they got to show for it. Do Pittsburg, New England and Indianapolis go out and spend the money for the top free agents. Let the other teams go out there and tie up their money in big money guys that may not do well in their system. Bring in some guys that can get the job done and look to the draft for your superstars. Does anybody else see Terrell Suggs as a guy not asked to do anything but rush the QB in a defense that has talent around him?

Hmmm, let's take a look at some free agents New England has signed in past years:

Rodney Harrison
Adalius Thomas
Roosevelt Colvin
Mike Vrabel
Corey Dillon
And personally I would count Randy Moss as a free agent signing. Yes he was a trade but it was a one year rental and then they had to shell out the big bucks to keep him or he would have left as a free agent.

Again, if you have an opportunity to add talent through free agency, why not do it? Is it our money being spent? Nope. As long as our free agency moves don't put us in cap hell, who cares if we go out and spend it? Cap room not being used is a waste. And if a free agent signing is a bust? Not our problem, because it's not our money. Again, as long as we are not put in cap hell or spend outrageous amounts like the Raiders or Redskins I don't see why fans would be against adding talent in free agency. My personal opinion is that you add talent to your team any way possible and through any means. That includes trades, free agency, and of course the draft.

**The Franchise** · 12-26-2008, 10:15 AM

If we're only going to go after one.....then I'll take Jason Brown. We can plug him in at center and move Niswanger over to RG (where he played decently IIRC). That leaves the RT position to fill. If Hunt is looking to spend some FA cash this offseason....then grab Brown and Suggs. Sign DeCosta from Baltimore to be our GM and then grab Jim Schwartz from the Titans to be our head coach.

Then hope and pray that Bradford declares for the draft and the Lions take him.

1st round - Matt Stafford - QB - Georgia
1st round - Brandon Spikes - MLB - Florida - Yes I know we're still rebuilding and you don't trade away draft picks.....but Spikes is a force and I feel would be worthwhile to trade back up into the 1st round and grab him. I'm not entirely sure what it would cost us to do it though.
3rd round - Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon

This is all just a pipe dream though.....and I'm still high on the Christmas spirit.

12-25-2008, 05:04 AM
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Shop For Free Agents: Who would You Pick Up? Shop For Free Agents: Who would You Pick Up? Scout.com 2009 Free Agency Rankings Chiefs have only 17 players on the 47 man roster with 4 years or more experience. That's 18 rookies, 30 guys total in their 3rd year or less. That makes Kansas City the youngest team in the NFL. The departure of players like Pat Surtain, Damon Huard and Donnie Edwards would make the Chiefs even less bouyed by experience. The Chiefs will in all likelihood bid on some of the players listed at site linked to above. Anybody got your attention? With the team $32 mil under the salary cap, I think the FO can afford a bit of a shopping spree. Me? Julius Peppers and Albert Haynesworth would look great in red & gold. Safetyman Yeremiah Bell is only in his 5th year. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, KCJohnny
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12-25-2008, 11:30 PM	#62
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12-26-2008, 01:18 AM	#63
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12-26-2008, 01:25 AM	#66
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2917557	The Chiefs NEED players at DE, LB, QB, and OL. If they want to compete in 2009, they cannot do this through the draft alone. They have to go after at least 2 free agents. I agree that the way to build a team is through the draft but smart free agency shopping will allow Kansas City to be a competitive team this next season. QB - Matt Cassel LB – Channing Crowder, Angelo Crowell, Karlos Dansby, Michael Boley, Leroy Hill, Mike Peterson, Andra Davis, and Jonathan Vilma are some of the free agent LBs that would be available. DE – Julius Peppers and Terrell Suggs OL – Vernon Carey, Mark Tauscher, John St. Clair, Mike Goff, Jason Brown, Matt Birk, and Eric Heitmann Of these names, I’d pick two or three of the following; Jason Brown, (Julius Peppers or Terrell Suggs), Jonathan Vilma, and Matt Cassel.
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12-26-2008, 03:28 AM	#69
mylittlepony Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Casino cash: $10005855	Ray Lewis, now please hear me out. Rays contract runs out this year and the Ravens must see that he is on his way out. Now what would a Ray Lewis to Kansas City trade meen for all parties? - Ray, wants to become a NFLPA top (atleast I think so, he is a mentor to alot of kids in this league he has the reputation to have a long career in the NFLPA after he is done). Now what better thing then to join the team with the most rookies. What better thing to put on your resume then that you in your last years helped rebuild the youngest team in football. You reached out to the young players. - The players, young players need guidence and coaching and there are some things the coaches just cant do. Who better then Ray Lewis to introduce them to the NFL and show them what its like to be professionals. This guy is already a mentor to alot of players to get his helping hand in the KC locker-room would be a stat that would defenatly be hard to meassure but surely beneficial. - The coaches, first of all they will get a helping hand in teaching these young players the stuff thats beyond the x:es and the o:s. Ray also buildt the weight lifting culture in baltimore he is the guy you will see training day in and out and looking at his career young kids will take after that. And what KC is really trying to build is a winning culture. Ray is all about winning. Just my 2c
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12-26-2008, 06:14 AM	#70
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	I thought about Ray Ray. His leadership would really settle that young D down. His attitude would fire them up. He has been amazingly resilient when it comes to injuries. And he's never played on a bad defense. My only problem with Lewis is that he's 34 or 35 next year which is a greybeard for ILBs. But would I like to see him elevate the entire D next year? You betcha. __________________
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12-26-2008, 10:03 AM	#73
kcchiefsus Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nowhere Casino cash: $10017949	It's not even worth arguing about. You should add talent to your roster however you can get it but some idiots just don't see it.
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12-26-2008, 10:15 AM	#75
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2075047	If we're only going to go after one.....then I'll take Jason Brown. We can plug him in at center and move Niswanger over to RG (where he played decently IIRC). That leaves the RT position to fill. If Hunt is looking to spend some FA cash this offseason....then grab Brown and Suggs. Sign DeCosta from Baltimore to be our GM and then grab Jim Schwartz from the Titans to be our head coach. Then hope and pray that Bradford declares for the draft and the Lions take him. 1st round - Matt Stafford - QB - Georgia 1st round - Brandon Spikes - MLB - Florida - Yes I know we're still rebuilding and you don't trade away draft picks.....but Spikes is a force and I feel would be worthwhile to trade back up into the 1st round and grab him. I'm not entirely sure what it would cost us to do it though. 3rd round - Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon This is all just a pipe dream though.....and I'm still high on the Christmas spirit.
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