Todd Haley bandwagon

[bowener]

There is still a large reservoir of Herm-lovers on the net, most can be found on the forums at footballsfuture.

It is a sad sad thing to see grown men personally sewing wool over their own eyes, but denial is a hell of a thing.

[unothadeal]

There's no chance of him coming here as OC is there? There needs to be a promotion?

[KC kid]

Did anyone else read Haley's lips when he and Boldin were arguing? Two times he said, "Don't call me that."

[Danman]

I've been pinping Haley for a couple days now in other posts. That being said, I too am concerned with the spats between him and players today. Still an interesting option.

[ChiefRon]

Originally Posted by Danman

I've been pinping Haley for a couple days now in other posts. That being said, I too am concerned with the spats between him and players today. Still an interesting option.

Doesn't concern me, Bolding was obviously whining about not being in there...

[RealSNR]

Really, doesn't that show leadership if he's arguing with Boldin in the middle of a game-winning drive? Boldin's probably pissed about the playcalling and Haley pretty much says, "here's how it's done, now leave."

Would you rather he pull a Mike Singletary and send him to the locker room like a parent sends a child to his room?

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by SNR

Really, doesn't that show leadership if he's arguing with Boldin in the middle of a game-winning drive? Boldin's probably pissed about the playcalling and Haley pretty much says, "here's how it's done, now leave."

Would you rather he pull a Mike Singletary and send him to the locker room like a parent sends a child to his room?

The fact that a player would argue with a coach during a game shows a that they don't respect him. Maybe it says more about the player than the coach, but I think it reflects badly on both. Those boundaries should have been established long, long ago.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by cdcox

The fact that a player would argue with a coach during a game shows a that they don't respect him. Maybe it says more about the player than the coach, but I think it reflects badly on both. Those boundaries should have been established long, long ago.

It was one guy...I point fingers at Boldin....he has been unhappy for a while now ever since he hasn't received the big money he wants. Now if Fitzgerald was mouthing off....then yeah...I would point fingers at Haley. But in this instance, Fitz had 3 touchdowns and I dont think Boldin liked not being in the spotlight.

As for the Cowboys...well that whole team is/was/has been dysfunctional for some time now...so I'm not touching that.

[KCCHIEFS27]

IMO, Todd Haley didn't do near as much for that offense this year than Kurt Warner did.

[Mecca]

Todd Haley wasn't very well liked when he coached the WR's in Dallas either.....

Being concerned about his relationship with players is a legit concern, as far as I know in his stays he's had numerous problems and spats with players.

[RealSNR]

I'm just glad he's not a ****ing Italian piece of crap!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Todd Haley wasn't very well liked when he coached the WR's in Dallas either.....

Being concerned about his relationship with players is a legit concern, as far as I know in his stays he's had numerous problems and spats with players.

Yes. We have to stop evaluating coaches based on their X's and O's. It's important, but the #1 thing you can do is know how to manage a team, a game, and your coaches, as well as how to be the face of the organization. It's the absolute most important quality of a team.

Case-in-point... Tomlin is a defensive guy and his specialty is the Tampa 2, but he has Lebeau and Arenas to do all the dirty work. But yet, he's a hell of a coach. Why? Because he knows how to lead.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes. We have to stop evaluating coaches based on their X's and O's. It's important, but the #1 thing you can do is know how to manage a team, a game, and your coaches, as well as how to be the face of the organization. It's the absolute most important quality of a team.

I think Pioli wants an Xs and Os guy. We're going to try to be New England West, with disciplined, smart football players who don't need constant hand-holding by the head coach.

I could be wrong -- we could retain Herm Edwards, or hire someone similar -- but I doubt it.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

I think Pioli wants an Xs and Os guy. We're going to try to be New England West, with disciplined, smart football players who don't need constant hand-holding by the head coach.

I could be wrong -- we could retain Herm Edwards, or hire someone similar -- but I doubt it.

Sorry...I'm confused, Do you doubt you're wrong? Do you doubt we will retain Hermroid? ....or do you doubt we will hire someone similar?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

I think Pioli wants an Xs and Os guy. We're going to try to be New England West, with disciplined, smart football players who don't need constant hand-holding by the head coach.

I could be wrong -- we could retain Herm Edwards, or hire someone similar -- but I doubt it.

I don't doubt that it's important, but it's overrated. You can be a really solid fundamentals football coach even if you don't have outstanding football intelligence. But I think it's more important that the coach set the tone. He needs to demand hard-nose football, but let's face it--these days, the coordinators are the ones that are calling the plays and the assistant coaches are the ones working directly with the players. A head coach simply does not have enough arms, legs, and brains to individually coach everybody.

Now, I know football doesn't always copy the real world, but in the real world, the best managers are the ones that know how to delegate and know how to work with people. There are a ton of super-talented people who never succeed because they insist on taking everything themself because they don't trust others to do their job. And so, like any management position, the head coach's job isn't to sit down and write up creative plays and coach players individually himself. It is his job to make sure that all pieces of the team are operating well.

He has to know the X's and O's and he has to know fundamentals, but it's far more important that he know how to manage people who can do it.