KU Self Cheating in Recruiting - Page 5

ChiefsCountry · 01-19-2009, 09:18 PM

And this was broke by the Springfield News-Loser, which is even more impressive.

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/989604.html

KU looking into Self's conversation with recruit

LAWRENCE | Kansas officials are aware that KU coach Bill Self had a brief interaction with top recruit John Wall during an NCAA evaluation period last Thursday night at a high school basketball tournament in Springfield.

Coaches are not allowed contact with recruits during an NCAA evaluation period other than to exchange greetings.

“Bill has brought it to our attention, and we’re still discussing just exactly what happened,” said Jim Marchiony, KU associate athletics director for external relations. “We’ll certainly discuss it with our compliance office.”

A column in the Springfield News-Leader detailed an exchange that took place between Self and Wall outside Wall’s locker room after his game had finished.

Self reportedly said to Wall, “Johnny, great win, man. You really played well.” Wall thanked Self, who then said, “I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win.”

NCAA rules define contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.”

The rules also state if a coach “positions himself in a location where contact is possible” it is considered a contact “regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” The rules say that if a coach is approached by a prospect, it is a not a contact as long as the coach doesn’t engage in more than a greeting and “takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.”

The News-Leader said Self “vanished” after the exchange with Wall.

Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, is rated the No. 1 overall recruit in the class of 2009 by Rivals.com. He visited Kansas for the team’s 2008 national championship ring ceremony on the weekend of Sept. 20. Wall, a native of Raleigh, N.C., will choose among Kansas, Memphis, Baylor, N.C. State, Oregon, Duke and Miami.

The KU athletic department is in the final year of a three-year NCAA probation for violations in men’s basketball and football. The basketball program has operated the past two seasons with 12 scholarships instead of the allotted 13

**Lzen** · 01-20-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Maybe K State can make a DVD about it.

**buddha** · 01-20-2009, 12:33 PM

It's a reportable offense. Self knows what's permissable and what is over the line. He admitted to going over the line. With that said, nothing will come of this. If the NCAA really got angry at KU basketball, they would take out that vengance on KU football. It's happened at other sacred cow schools.

kepp · 01-20-2009, 12:51 PM

water is wet...blah, blah, blah...

Reerun_KC · 01-20-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Maybe K State can make a DVD about it.

Just one DVD? How dare you!

This is worthy of a 2 DISK DVD SET!!!

**Saulbadguy** · 01-20-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Just one DVD? How dare you!

This is worthy of a 2 DISK DVD SET!!!

It would fit on one Blu-Ray.

ChiefsOne · 01-20-2009, 02:16 PM

At the finals on Saturday, one of the players came over to the coaches table and gave his tee to one of the coaches. I saw it but didn't know which coach, was told it was either Self or the coach from Memphis. That exchange sure got the crowd going. I don't see a big deal for this or chatting with the guys.

ChiefsOne · 01-20-2009, 02:18 PM

BTW I went Thursday and Saturday. Thursday Wall was good but not super impressive, Saturday night was completely different. Wall and CJ something from Word of God were both very impressive. Wall especially, moves like Jordan!

Mr. Laz · 01-20-2009, 02:27 PM

the key to this is that WALL APPROACHED SELF

"i'm not supposed to be talk to you ...." was an excuse for why Self couldn't stop to talk to him not an admission of guilt.

was this "bump" intention ..... probably, but still

WilliamTheIrish · 01-20-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

I knew exactly what you were doing. Trying to one up a KU fan. Good for you. I am not going to spend the time to look up an article that I read a while ago. I am pretty sure it was posted on a forum that I frequent. Whether that was CP or another, I can't remember. But I know that it pointed out some pretty ridiculous stuff. But go ahead and attack me if that makes you feel better about yourself and your sad little Kitties.

That's not it at all. Actually I'm kind of suprised at your reaction to this. I have a very close aquaintance that works for the NCAA enforcement staff. And while he won't mention specifics, I can freely ask him 'situational questions', and he can be forthright with his answers.

Therefore, when I asked "What rules are you talking about"?, it was an actual question that, had you been specific and not gone "reerun" on me, I could maybe get answered.

Demonpenz · 01-20-2009, 03:25 PM

all then ran his fingers through selfs hair and whispered. I won't tell anyone your secret

**Saulbadguy** · 01-20-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

That's not it at all. Actually I'm kind of suprised at your reaction to this. I have a very close aquaintance that works for the NCAA enforcement staff. And while he won't mention specifics, I can freely ask him 'situational questions', and he can be forthright with his answers.

Therefore, when I asked "What rules are you talking about"?, it was an actual question that, had you been specific and not gone "reerun" on me, I could maybe get answered.

Ask him these questions:

1. Is it OK for a coach to hang outside a recruits locker room after a game so they may just "happen" to run in to them, during the no contact period?
1a. Do all coaches in the NCAA do this?

DJay23 · 01-20-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Therefore, when I asked "What rules are you talking about"?, it was an actual question that, had you been specific and not gone "reerun" on me, I could maybe get answered.

Your reputation precedes you.

Reerun_KC · 01-20-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

That's not it at all. Actually I'm kind of suprised at your reaction to this. I have a very close aquaintance that works for the NCAA enforcement staff. And while he won't mention specifics, I can freely ask him 'situational questions', and he can be forthright with his answers.

Therefore, when I asked "What rules are you talking about"?, it was an actual question that, had you been specific and not gone "reerun" on me, I could maybe get answered.

DUDE WTF?

Dont get me involved in your petty arguments...

Jesus you KSU fans get all bent out of shape over any little thing...

Damn lighten up Francis...

WilliamTheIrish · 01-20-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DJay23

Your reputation precedes you.

Heh, heh. Guess so.

HolyHandgernade · 01-20-2009, 05:41 PM

Doug Gotleib said he thinks it is a non-issue, all coaches do this, and nothing will come of it.

More of a case of a reporter thinking he's breaking the next Watergate scandal, methinks.

-HH

01-19-2009, 09:18 PM
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1441248	Self Cheating in Recruiting And this was broke by the Springfield News-Loser, which is even more impressive. http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/989604.html KU looking into Self's conversation with recruit LAWRENCE \| Kansas officials are aware that KU coach Bill Self had a brief interaction with top recruit John Wall during an NCAA evaluation period last Thursday night at a high school basketball tournament in Springfield. Coaches are not allowed contact with recruits during an NCAA evaluation period other than to exchange greetings. “Bill has brought it to our attention, and we’re still discussing just exactly what happened,” said Jim Marchiony, KU associate athletics director for external relations. “We’ll certainly discuss it with our compliance office.” A column in the Springfield News-Leader detailed an exchange that took place between Self and Wall outside Wall’s locker room after his game had finished. Self reportedly said to Wall, “Johnny, great win, man. You really played well.” Wall thanked Self, who then said, “I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win.” NCAA rules define contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.” The rules also state if a coach “positions himself in a location where contact is possible” it is considered a contact “regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” The rules say that if a coach is approached by a prospect, it is a not a contact as long as the coach doesn’t engage in more than a greeting and “takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.” The News-Leader said Self “vanished” after the exchange with Wall. Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, is rated the No. 1 overall recruit in the class of 2009 by Rivals.com. He visited Kansas for the team’s 2008 national championship ring ceremony on the weekend of Sept. 20. Wall, a native of Raleigh, N.C., will choose among Kansas, Memphis, Baylor, N.C. State, Oregon, Duke and Miami. The KU athletic department is in the final year of a three-year NCAA probation for violations in men’s basketball and football. The basketball program has operated the past two seasons with 12 scholarships instead of the allotted 13
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buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	It's a reportable offense. Self knows what's permissable and what is over the line. He admitted to going over the line. With that said, nothing will come of this. If the NCAA really got angry at KU basketball, they would take out that vengance on KU football. It's happened at other sacred cow schools.
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kepp MVP Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $3509212	water is wet...blah, blah, blah...
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ChiefsOne Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $5128192	At the finals on Saturday, one of the players came over to the coaches table and gave his tee to one of the coaches. I saw it but didn't know which coach, was told it was either Self or the coach from Memphis. That exchange sure got the crowd going. I don't see a big deal for this or chatting with the guys.
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ChiefsOne Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $5128192	BTW I went Thursday and Saturday. Thursday Wall was good but not super impressive, Saturday night was completely different. Wall and CJ something from Word of God were both very impressive. Wall especially, moves like Jordan!
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	the key to this is that WALL APPROACHED SELF "i'm not supposed to be talk to you ...." was an excuse for why Self couldn't stop to talk to him not an admission of guilt. was this "bump" intention ..... probably, but still __________________
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HolyHandgernade Integralist Join Date: May 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Casino cash: $10006370	Doug Gotleib said he thinks it is a non-issue, all coaches do this, and nothing will come of it. More of a case of a reporter thinking he's breaking the next Watergate scandal, methinks. -HH __________________ You'll see it's all a show, keep 'em laughing as you go, just remember, the last laugh is on you, and always look on the bright side of life!
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