Life For you smokers out there - Page 5

Hog's Gone Fishin · 09-30-2009, 07:09 PM

Anybody tried this: A healthy cig that doesnt contain any carcinogens, chemicals ,nasty smelling smoke. I don't smoke but my wife smokes like a porn star sucking the lube off a giant penis. This would be wonderful if its legit!

http://www.usnews9.com/?t202id=41956&t202kw=smkads1

damaticous · 11-15-2009, 07:03 PM

Good article, but I have to counter with....

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ers.html?cat=5

he FDA is at a loss.

It knows why people want to quit smoking tobacco cigarettes - exposure to first and second hand smoke is proven to cause numerous health problems, from heart disease to cancer.

Up until now, the only way thought to quit smoking was to cure nicotine addiction. Beat the nicotine cravings, beat the urge to smoke - or so the theory goes. Consequently, the term "smoking cessation" has become synonymous with curing nicotine
addiction with the use of Nicotine Replacement Therapies or NRTs.

However, focusing solely on nicotine addiction has been proven to be ineffective.

FDA-approved medications are tested in clinical trials and the enthusiasm of participants, close monitoring and counseling may all inflate the success numbers found in those studies, according to a report released in a 2002 edition of Journal of the American Medical Association (Vol. 288, No. 10: 1260-1264). "These products are designed to help with the cravings associated with smoking, but not the behavioral aspects," stated co-author Professor Elizabeth Gilpin, of the University of California. The report also pointed out that NRTs were originally by prescription only, giving patients trying to quit access to a physician's support and behavioral counseling.(1)

In the 2006 study, "Nicotine replacement therapy for long-term smoking cessation: a meta-analysis," the authors wrote, "Due to relapse, the overall efficacy of NRT treatment in terms of additional ex-smokers declined from 10.7% over and above placebo (6.6% to 14.8%) after one year to 7.2% (3.8% to 11.3%) at an average of 4.3 years follow up. "

"Because the long-term benefit of NRT is modest," the study concluded, "tobacco dependence treatment might be better viewed as a chronic disorder, requiring repeated episodes of treatment."(2)

So, why the extraordinary failure rate?

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Read the whole article by clicking on the linkity link.

InChiefsHeaven · 11-16-2009, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop_74

http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/cons.../ucm173401.htm

The agency is concerned that

e-cigarettes can increase nicotine addiction among young people and may lead kids to try other tobacco products, including conventional cigarettes, which are known to cause disease and lead to premature death.

No problem there, I'm not a young person.

Quote:

the products may contain ingredients that are known to be toxic to humans
because clinical studies about the safety and efficacy of these products for their intended use have not been submitted to FDA, consumers currently have no way of knowing 1) whether e-cigarettes are safe for their intended use, or 2) about what types or concentrations of potentially harmful chemicals or what dose of nicotine they are inhaling when they use these products.

I'd think that they would not have to say "may" contain, but "DO" contain. How come they can't say for sure? Are they worse for you than cigarettes? The FDA doesn't know? What the hell do these guys do all day?

Quote:

The potential health risks posed by the use of e-cigarettes were addressed in a July 22, 2009, phone conference between Joshua M. Sharfstein, M.D., principal deputy commissioner of food and drugs; Jonathan Winickoff, M.D., chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Tobacco Consortium; Jonathan Samet, M.D., director of the University of Southern California's Institute for Global Health; and Matthew T. McKenna, M.D., director of the Office on Smoking and Health at the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Always the "Potential". Again, how can they not know for sure?

Quote:

Conference participants stressed the importance of parents being aware of the health and marketing concerns associated with e-cigarettes. It was stated that parents may want to tell their children and teenagers that these products are not safe to use.

Based on what? The unknown "potential"?

Quote:

During the phone conference, which was shared with the news media, FDA announced findings from a laboratory analysis that indicates that electronic cigarettes expose users to harmful chemical ingredients.

FDA’s Division of Pharmaceutical Analysis—part of the agency's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research—analyzed the ingredients in a small sample of cartridges from two leading brands of e-cigarette samples.

One sample was found to contain diethylene glycol, a toxic chemical used in antifreeze. Several other samples were found to contain carcinogens, including nitrosamines.

At last, we are getting to the meat of it. This is fine, it's good to know, but according to what I've read from the manufacturers, many stress that they don't contain diethylene glycol. So if you find one that doesn't, is it OK?

I definitely want more info about the SPECIFIC issues with these things. Your article is very vague (typical of the government). I just wish they would get specific, and why wouldn't they? Could it be that they really just don't want people to quit smoking? It's a cash cow, after all...

**Bugeater** · 11-16-2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

No problem there, I'm not a young person.

I'd think that they would not have to say "may" contain, but "DO" contain. How come they can't say for sure? Are they worse for you than cigarettes? The FDA doesn't know? What the hell do these guys do all day?

Always the "Potential". Again, how can they not know for sure?

Based on what? The unknown "potential"?

At last, we are getting to the meat of it. This is fine, it's good to know, but according to what I've read from the manufacturers, many stress that they don't contain diethylene glycol. So if you find one that doesn't, is it OK?

I definitely want more info about the SPECIFIC issues with these things. Your article is very vague (typical of the government). I just wish they would get specific, and why wouldn't they? Could it be that they really just don't want people to quit smoking? It's a cash cow, after all...

It's political hypocrisy at its finest. They act like smoking is evil, they ban it pretty much everywhere, but they sure as hell love the tax money it brings in. If there's an issue out there that causes politicians to play both sides of the fence more than smoking, I don't know what it is. This is no different than when Omaha imposed the city wide ban a few years ago, but establishments with Keno (from which the city got a cut of the proceeds) were exempt.

InChiefsHeaven · 11-16-2009, 09:24 AM

From the article posted by damaticous:

Quote:

Unlike NRTs, the consumer decides when and if they will reduce or eliminate their nicotine intake. The nicotine liquid sold by reputable manufacturers is available in measured levels of nicotine content, chosen by the consumer to match their former tobacco use. It consists of water,
propylene glycol, nicotine and flavoring. Propylene glycol, a substance which is generally recognized as safe and approved for human inhalation by the EPA (4), is often confused with diethylene glycol, which is a toxic ingredient found in tobacco cigarettes (and antifreeze.) Propylene glycol is actually FDA-approved for human consumption and is used as a base for consumable products such as imitation vanilla and toothpaste and is the same substance used to create theatrical fog.

I thought I'd read that elsewhere as well.

Personally, I'm still on the fence, but I'd say the e-cig is probably notably safer than a cigarette, and that the FDA is either doing a knee-jerk on this or is actually following an agenda tied to tax revenue from cigarette sales. If they can't figure out a way to tax and regulate it, the government usually says it's BAD!!

InChiefsHeaven · 11-16-2009, 09:28 AM

If Phillip Morris was smart, they'd get into the e-cig game.

InChiefsHeaven · 12-30-2009, 07:39 AM

OK, finally buckled down and bought a disposable from No7 at eCiggaretteschoice.com

My first review, this is actually a very decent replacement for cigarettes. It hits your throat like a cigarette and gives a pretty good outflow of vapor, so it looks like a cigarette when you vape on it. I've only had it since last night, and there are a few cons.

1) When you draw on it, the cartridge doesn't seal very well on the atomizer, so it makes a whistling noise, kind of annoying and it seems you are drawing too much air.

2) This was the tobacco flavored kind and it tastes nothing like a cigarette. It doesn't bother me, but it definitely doesn't taste like smoke.

3) This is a disposable, and the first cartridge gave me like 30 puffs, maybe less. That's only 3 cigarettes. Here's hoping the other carts last a little longer.

I think I'm sold though. A starter kit goes for anywhere from 50 to 150 bucks. I think it's worth at least 50 to expand the experiment.

damaticous · 12-30-2009, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

OK, finally buckled down and bought a disposable from No7 at eCiggaretteschoice.com

My first review, this is actually a very decent replacement for cigarettes. It hits your throat like a cigarette and gives a pretty good outflow of vapor, so it looks like a cigarette when you vape on it. I've only had it since last night, and there are a few cons.

1) When you draw on it, the cartridge doesn't seal very well on the atomizer, so it makes a whistling noise, kind of annoying and it seems you are drawing too much air.

2) This was the tobacco flavored kind and it tastes nothing like a cigarette. It doesn't bother me, but it definitely doesn't taste like smoke.

3) This is a disposable, and the first cartridge gave me like 30 puffs, maybe less. That's only 3 cigarettes. Here's hoping the other carts last a little longer.

I think I'm sold though. A starter kit goes for anywhere from 50 to 150 bucks. I think it's worth at least 50 to expand the experiment.

Congrats.

I'm still vaping to this day. Like it a lot better than cigs. A little more hassel here and there, but overall I like it better.

Came across this web site "2009 Vapy Awards". people from www.e-cigarette-forum.com voted on different types os subjects concerning e-cigs. here's teh results. Thought it might help to find a good starter kit for ya.

http://vapyawards.com/

ElGringo · 12-30-2009, 07:53 AM

When I went to the states I considered purchasing one of these, until I found out they are outlawed here in Mexico, really sux, from all the reviews, sounds like a great replacement.

InChiefsHeaven · 12-30-2009, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damaticous

Congrats.

I'm still vaping to this day. Like it a lot better than cigs. A little more hassel here and there, but overall I like it better.

Came across this web site "2009 Vapy Awards". people from www.e-cigarette-forum.com voted on different types os subjects concerning e-cigs. here's teh results. Thought it might help to find a good starter kit for ya.

http://vapyawards.com/

Is the manual battery or automatic battery better in your opinion? I'm looking at this kit:

http://www.cignot.com/ProductDetails...de=KIT-510-NBX

**TrebMaxx** · 12-30-2009, 08:51 AM

I think I will have to look into one of these things. Over all though I would rather just quit altogether. Can you limit the amount of nicotine on a gradual basis?

InChiefsHeaven · 12-30-2009, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrebMaxx

I think I will have to look into one of these things. Over all though I would rather just quit altogether. Can you limit the amount of nicotine on a gradual basis?

Yep, you can start out with a high concentration and work your way down to zero.

**TrebMaxx** · 12-30-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Yep, you can start out with a high concentration and work your way down to zero.

That makes it even more intriguing.

InChiefsHeaven · 12-30-2009, 10:08 AM

OK, just went to cignot.com and ordered the Joye510, which supposedly gives the best results as far as vapor. The kit I got includes 2 ecigs (batteries, atomizers) 5 free pre-filled carts of their "Marlboro" flavor and a AC Charger for 35.00. Then I ordered 5 more carts, 3 blank carts with "teabag" (don't even know what that means yet, but I think it has something to do with "dripping", a method of using the liquid..) and a 20 ml bottle of the Marlboro juice...total with shipping is 62.00. Cheaper than 2 cartons of regular smokes.

Hopefully will get here in a couple of days.

damaticous · 12-30-2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Is the manual battery or automatic battery better in your opinion? I'm looking at this kit:

http://www.cignot.com/ProductDetails...de=KIT-510-NBX

Depends. When I first started using Ecigs I liked the Auto battery because it was more cigarette like. since I've been using them a while I like the Manual batteries better. There isn't a "cut off" switch on the manual batteries so you can take as long of a drag as you desire.

BUT I like using Auto batteries when I'm at my computer or driving so I can use both hands on the keyboard and steering wheel.

damaticous · 12-30-2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Yep, you can start out with a high concentration and work your way down to zero.

I started at 26 MG in June. I'm down to 18 MG now. Will probably start using 12 or less MG in the near future

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11-15-2009, 07:03 PM	#61
damaticous lurker Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: home Casino cash: $9959900	Good article, but I have to counter with.... http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ers.html?cat=5 he FDA is at a loss. It knows why people want to quit smoking tobacco cigarettes - exposure to first and second hand smoke is proven to cause numerous health problems, from heart disease to cancer. Up until now, the only way thought to quit smoking was to cure nicotine addiction. Beat the nicotine cravings, beat the urge to smoke - or so the theory goes. Consequently, the term "smoking cessation" has become synonymous with curing nicotine addiction with the use of Nicotine Replacement Therapies or NRTs. However, focusing solely on nicotine addiction has been proven to be ineffective. FDA-approved medications are tested in clinical trials and the enthusiasm of participants, close monitoring and counseling may all inflate the success numbers found in those studies, according to a report released in a 2002 edition of Journal of the American Medical Association (Vol. 288, No. 10: 1260-1264). "These products are designed to help with the cravings associated with smoking, but not the behavioral aspects," stated co-author Professor Elizabeth Gilpin, of the University of California. The report also pointed out that NRTs were originally by prescription only, giving patients trying to quit access to a physician's support and behavioral counseling.(1) In the 2006 study, "Nicotine replacement therapy for long-term smoking cessation: a meta-analysis," the authors wrote, "Due to relapse, the overall efficacy of NRT treatment in terms of additional ex-smokers declined from 10.7% over and above placebo (6.6% to 14.8%) after one year to 7.2% (3.8% to 11.3%) at an average of 4.3 years follow up. " "Because the long-term benefit of NRT is modest," the study concluded, "tobacco dependence treatment might be better viewed as a chronic disorder, requiring repeated episodes of treatment."(2) So, why the extraordinary failure rate? ---------------------------------- Read the whole article by clicking on the linkity link.
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11-16-2009, 09:28 AM	#65
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $765437	If Phillip Morris was smart, they'd get into the e-cig game. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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12-30-2009, 07:39 AM	#66
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $765437	OK, finally buckled down and bought a disposable from No7 at eCiggaretteschoice.com My first review, this is actually a very decent replacement for cigarettes. It hits your throat like a cigarette and gives a pretty good outflow of vapor, so it looks like a cigarette when you vape on it. I've only had it since last night, and there are a few cons. 1) When you draw on it, the cartridge doesn't seal very well on the atomizer, so it makes a whistling noise, kind of annoying and it seems you are drawing too much air. 2) This was the tobacco flavored kind and it tastes nothing like a cigarette. It doesn't bother me, but it definitely doesn't taste like smoke. 3) This is a disposable, and the first cartridge gave me like 30 puffs, maybe less. That's only 3 cigarettes. Here's hoping the other carts last a little longer. I think I'm sold though. A starter kit goes for anywhere from 50 to 150 bucks. I think it's worth at least 50 to expand the experiment. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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12-30-2009, 07:53 AM	#68
ElGringo Veteran Join Date: May 2008 Location: Shreveport, La Casino cash: $9975100	When I went to the states I considered purchasing one of these, until I found out they are outlawed here in Mexico, really sux, from all the reviews, sounds like a great replacement.
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12-30-2009, 08:51 AM	#70
TrebMaxx Supporter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Peoples Republic of CoMo Casino cash: $-2202748	I think I will have to look into one of these things. Over all though I would rather just quit altogether. Can you limit the amount of nicotine on a gradual basis?
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12-30-2009, 10:08 AM	#73
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $765437	OK, just went to cignot.com and ordered the Joye510, which supposedly gives the best results as far as vapor. The kit I got includes 2 ecigs (batteries, atomizers) 5 free pre-filled carts of their "Marlboro" flavor and a AC Charger for 35.00. Then I ordered 5 more carts, 3 blank carts with "teabag" (don't even know what that means yet, but I think it has something to do with "dripping", a method of using the liquid..) and a 20 ml bottle of the Marlboro juice...total with shipping is 62.00. Cheaper than 2 cartons of regular smokes. Hopefully will get here in a couple of days. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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