Chiefs Props to Cassel for converting on some key 3rd downs - Page 5

PunkinDrublic · 10-24-2010, 03:31 PM

If you're going to pile on when he ****s up you gotta credit him when he plays well. Our run game was dominant, but I'm stoked Cassel was able to complete some key third down passes when the game was still close.

Sannyasi · 10-24-2010, 11:20 PM

I like how Cassel has played the last couple weeks, but I'm not confident he can repeat these type of performances against better defenses

beach tribe · 10-24-2010, 11:21 PM

I stated before the Houston game that the next five games including the Texans game would mind **** this fan base when Cassel plays well against some of the worst pass Ds in the league. He's playing much better. I definitely not sold, but he still has a chance to prove himself. Crazier things have happened. We'll see

**alnorth** · 10-24-2010, 11:30 PM

Cassel's deceptively high QB rating is a product of him successfully avoiding major f***-ups. His accuracy and passing yards are still not great.

He's still kinda young and maybe he'll improve with more experience, but right now he's probably one of the best backup QB's in the league. Thats not a bad thing either, look at this glass half-full: imagine we had our hypothetical young stud QBOTF and he suffers a season-ending injury in the preseason. After freaking out we look at Cassel, one of the best backups in the NFL, and think "well, at least we have a good backup, he won't win us any games, but he probably wont lose it either and gives the rest of the team a chance to make plays."

**BossChief** · 10-24-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Also Cassel is 30th in passing yards,21st in completion percentage and 13th in TDs, wow that's not for the AFC but the entire NFL too!!!!!!!!

We are averaging 177 yards per game rushing.

17 per game more than the next closest team in the league.

We have already had our bye week as well, so that yardage one is somewhat unfair...he tied with Kevin Kolb at 19th overall in yards per attempt and that number has gone up every week as well.

His completion percentage will improve over the course of the year as well.

It feels weird to be defending the guy I have hated since day -1, but that is what keeps some of us objective.

Lets just hope that these games (and the next few) against below average defenses will give him some confidence that carries over when we play some better defenses.

I think the more the guy trusts the things around him (the line not to get him killed, his receivers to catch the ball, his coaching in teaching him things that are helping him in games, his running game to continue to give him opertunities to exploit single coverage) the more he will grow into the role of what we want him to do in this offense and the more Weis will put on his plate.

He is being taught to be a game manager right now, hopefully after he is exactly that, he will continue to grow into a larger role.

Time will tell, as usual.

Pants · 10-24-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I stated before the Houston game that the next five games including the Texans game would mind **** this fan base when Cassel plays well against some of the worst pass Ds in the league.

I honestly thought people would be able to see things in perspective. It boggles my mind when Pawntard opens his yap with the "I TOLD YOU SO!" comments.

MadMax · 10-24-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

The last couple games, yes. Those teams, where are they ranked in pass D? Just shut the **** up.

He still sucks!!!! LOL!

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-25-2010, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Also Cassel is 30th in passing yards,21st in completion percentage and 13th in TDs, wow that's not for the AFC but the entire NFL too!!!!!!!!

your stats are as not accurate

**BossChief** · 10-25-2010, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

your stats are as not accurate

you right nice well

Thunder1boss · 10-25-2010, 12:34 AM

i'm no cassel fan, but i am happy that he is "managing the games" and not LOSING them for us. We could easily be undefeated right now and the losses haven't been due to a major league screw up on his part!

**Tribal Warfare** · 10-25-2010, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

your stats are as not accurate

It must've changed because, that's what his sheet said with his stat output on NFL.com when I posted it

Cassel is 30th in the league in total pass yardage per game at 168.5, 21st in passing percentage with 59.5 , 13th in TDs with 9

splatbass · 10-25-2010, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cool han Luke

Well excuse me, but damnit he hasn't won us a play off game yet

If he wins a playoff game this year will you

?

chiefzilla1501 · 10-25-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

We are averaging 177 yards per game rushing.

17 per game more than the next closest team in the league.

We have already had our bye week as well, so that yardage one is somewhat unfair...he tied with Kevin Kolb at 19th overall in yards per attempt and that number has gone up every week as well.

His completion percentage will improve over the course of the year as well.

It feels weird to be defending the guy I have hated since day -1, but that is what keeps some of us objective.

Lets just hope that these games (and the next few) against below average defenses will give him some confidence that carries over when we play some better defenses.

I think the more the guy trusts the things around him (the line not to get him killed, his receivers to catch the ball, his coaching in teaching him things that are helping him in games, his running game to continue to give him opertunities to exploit single coverage) the more he will grow into the role of what we want him to do in this offense and the more Weis will put on his plate.

He is being taught to be a game manager right now, hopefully after he is exactly that, he will continue to grow into a larger role.

Time will tell, as usual.

Yup. One thing you learn over time is that there are some fans so hell bent on hating a guy that they will refuse to give any shred of credit. Same shit I went through with Herm two years ago.

I like what you're doing here. I don't like Cassel either, but I'm willing to admit that the past two games, he's looked at least middle of the road. Still not good enough and I want to see him do it against a real defense, but he's doing some things a hell of a lot better, so props on that.

**the Talking Can** · 10-25-2010, 06:27 AM

Cassel is doing what he is asked to do, in this order:

#1 don't turn it over
#2 don't take a sack
#3 hand it off
#4 select down field shots that are set up by a dominant run game

props to him, weis, and haley....don't try to be what you aren't, don't try to do what you can't...

we'll win the afc west and 10-11 games if he keeps this up...

my opinion on the guy is known, but if he successfully does what he can all I can do is enjoy it and worry about the position next year...

i love our coaching staff by the way....with all my boners

chiefzilla1501 · 10-25-2010, 06:32 AM

By the way, Chiefs were 9/16 on 3rd downs against Houston and 6/11 Sunday.

Making big strides on 3rd down efficiency. VERY big strides. And I think Moeaki and McCluster were very big parts of that efficiency.

TheGuardian · 10-25-2010, 06:35 AM

Cassel is on pace for right around 3K yards and 24 TD's.

If that happens I am telling you there is no way he isn't our starting QB next season.

Second, playing at a high level is about confidence. Even if Cassel gets better against bad secondaries, sometimes that helps a guys confidence in his ability. and then he plays better against better defenses.

Either way, if Cassel is what we've got then I hope he continues to improve. If he doesn't, we will replace him. If he does continue to improve then the team gets better and we win the division and get a home playoff game. I don't see a downside.

10-24-2010, 03:31 PM
PunkinDrublic Stay down bitch! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Plano, TX Casino cash: $4460670	Props to Cassel for converting on some key 3rd downs If you're going to pile on when he ****s up you gotta credit him when he plays well. Our run game was dominant, but I'm stoked Cassel was able to complete some key third down passes when the game was still close.
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10-24-2010, 11:20 PM	#61
Sannyasi Veteran Join Date: Jan 2010 Casino cash: $9963714	I like how Cassel has played the last couple weeks, but I'm not confident he can repeat these type of performances against better defenses
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10-24-2010, 11:21 PM	#62
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4018036	I stated before the Houston game that the next five games including the Texans game would mind **** this fan base when Cassel plays well against some of the worst pass Ds in the league. He's playing much better. I definitely not sold, but he still has a chance to prove himself. Crazier things have happened. We'll see
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10-24-2010, 11:30 PM	#63
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	Cassel's deceptively high QB rating is a product of him successfully avoiding major f***-ups. His accuracy and passing yards are still not great. He's still kinda young and maybe he'll improve with more experience, but right now he's probably one of the best backup QB's in the league. Thats not a bad thing either, look at this glass half-full: imagine we had our hypothetical young stud QBOTF and he suffers a season-ending injury in the preseason. After freaking out we look at Cassel, one of the best backups in the NFL, and think "well, at least we have a good backup, he won't win us any games, but he probably wont lose it either and gives the rest of the team a chance to make plays." __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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10-25-2010, 12:34 AM	#69
Thunder1boss Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $10004900	i'm no cassel fan, but i am happy that he is "managing the games" and not LOSING them for us. We could easily be undefeated right now and the losses haven't been due to a major league screw up on his part!
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10-25-2010, 06:27 AM	#73
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9372208	Cassel is doing what he is asked to do, in this order: #1 don't turn it over #2 don't take a sack #3 hand it off #4 select down field shots that are set up by a dominant run game props to him, weis, and haley....don't try to be what you aren't, don't try to do what you can't... we'll win the afc west and 10-11 games if he keeps this up... my opinion on the guy is known, but if he successfully does what he can all I can do is enjoy it and worry about the position next year... i love our coaching staff by the way....with all my boners __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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10-25-2010, 06:32 AM	#74
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1555503	By the way, Chiefs were 9/16 on 3rd downs against Houston and 6/11 Sunday. Making big strides on 3rd down efficiency. VERY big strides. And I think Moeaki and McCluster were very big parts of that efficiency.
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10-25-2010, 06:35 AM	#75
TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6335299	Cassel is on pace for right around 3K yards and 24 TD's. If that happens I am telling you there is no way he isn't our starting QB next season. Second, playing at a high level is about confidence. Even if Cassel gets better against bad secondaries, sometimes that helps a guys confidence in his ability. and then he plays better against better defenses. Either way, if Cassel is what we've got then I hope he continues to improve. If he doesn't, we will replace him. If he does continue to improve then the team gets better and we win the division and get a home playoff game. I don't see a downside.
Posts: 9,560