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View Poll Results: What to do with Carr?
Resign Carr at basically Flowers' contract. 185 89.81%
Let Carr walk. Draft a corner high. Collect a 3rd or 4th compensatory pick next draft. 17 8.25%
Sign GAZ 4 1.94%
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:45 AM   #1
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Because Joseph set the market for Flowers and that market wasn't going to move.

By getting the cheaper guy signed first, you can still be coy as to the value you place on the position. You can go to Carr and say "we love having you on the squad, but this is approximately what the organization is willing to spend on its corners." He can cite the Joseph contract if he wants, but you can just make the argument that Texas was a desperate organization that overvalued the position, blah blah blah. Instead, they established that they're absolutely willing to give the CB position a massive deal. Combine that with their decision to wait out the season and eliminate the 'injury' risk that often drives a low-value long-term contract and the Chiefs have lost all leverage here.

Prior to the season, Carr was seen as the clear #2 whereas Flowers was seen as the Pro-Bowl snub. I thought that made Carr a wildly undervalued asset. As such, he should've been re-signed then. Instead, by signing Flowers first, establishing the 'team value' of the position then waiting so long that their asset is no longer undervalued and they no longer have any leverage, the Chiefs have really cost themselves a lot of money and cap space.

I actually think they'll let him walk at this point rather than deal with that mistake.
Spot on.

Very, very well said.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:05 AM   #2
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:13 AM   #3
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Sign the dude. We have the money. Especially if we cut Cassel loose (doubtful). Cut the fat off this roster and bring in some young guys via draft/fa.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:16 AM   #4
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Gotta sign him. Just remember Warfield and Bartee. Pull out the checkbook.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:17 AM   #5
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Gotta sign him. Just remember Warfield and Bartee. Pull out the checkbook.
THIS.

Or, more appropriately, think back to Hasty and Carter...
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:29 AM   #6
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THIS.

Or, more appropriately, think back to Hasty and Carter...
Yeah. Best duo we've had since those guys. This defense is going to be really stout when we get Berry back. If Houston keeps progressing this nicely, we'll have a solid LB corps. Really the only thing we'll need is to upgrade the d-line and this defense will be BEAST.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:22 AM   #7
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I'd probably cap out any deal I gave Carr at 7/year and I'd try to front-load it.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:23 AM   #8
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I'd probably cap out any deal I gave Carr at 7/year and I'd try to front-load it.
I doubt anyone his age would go 7 without getting sick numbers.

But a front-loaded 4 or 5 year deal would kick all kinds of ass...
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:29 AM   #9
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Ah - here was my pre-season statement on Flowers v. Carr:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...6&postcount=18

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I'm fast approaching the point of overplaying my hand and saying he's one of the most underrated players in the AFC.

If I had the option of locking up Flowers or locking up Carr at 80% of what it would take to extend Flowers, I'd go with Carr without hesitating. In fact, with the way Carr played over the last 8 games of the season, I would not be surprised to see him become a better corner than Flowers over the next season or two.

Physically, Carr has much greater upside than Flowers. He's bigger, he's stronger, he's faster in a straight line, his first step is just as good and he's pretty much the same in and out of his cuts. Mentally, he's not quite at Flowers level, but he's growing in that regard by leaps and bounds each season. If he progresses next season like he did this year, he could absolutely pass Flowers.
Pioli really blew it with Carr, IMO.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:33 AM   #10
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He is more solid and a better DB than flowers.. You dont let him walk...
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.. You dont let him walk...
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There's 2.5 million that could have gone to Carr instead of being flushed down the crapper with a flea flicker.
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There's 2.5 million that could have gone to Carr instead of being flushed down the crapper with a flea flicker.
Ya, because claiming Orton has an effect on next years salary...
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Ya, because claiming Orton has an effect on next years salary...
I'm sure Clark is happy about a wasted 2.5 million. He's been a penny pincher since taking over.
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I'm sure Clark is happy about a wasted 2.5 million. He's been a penny pincher since taking over.
I'm sure you have no idea what you are talking about.
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