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Old 12-21-2011, 01:15 PM  
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Shefter: The 1st pick is worth ...
3 first round picks and two 2nd round picks ... maybe four 1st round picks.

He was talking about how the Rams might just end up with the 1st pick because they play the 49ers and Steelers but the Colts play the jags and texans.

first pick tie would be decided by SOS

his opinion anyway
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:04 PM   #61
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Why would anyone give up their 1st for a QB with career numbers of 57.6% and <6 YPA?

EDIT: Forgot to add his 24:33 TD:TO ratio.
EDIT : Forget to add he has ZERO pass protection and one of the worst receiving core in the league. Not to mention a well beyond his prime HB who is the only offensive weapon on the team above mediocre.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:05 PM   #62
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Or they could be stuck with 2 QBs and not upgrading their otherwise awful roster. Once they draft Luck either his or Bradford's (or both) trade value decreases. The 1st pick is worth more prior to the selection.
See: Manning, Eli.

False.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:06 PM   #63
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See: Manning, Eli.

False.
That's a different scenario. The Rams wouldn't be trading Luck/Bradford for another QB.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:07 PM   #64
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That's a different scenario. The Rams wouldn't be trading Luck/Bradford for another QB.
Wouldn't that mean they would be getting an even bigger haul? After all, the QB is the most important position on the team.
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Why would anyone give up their 1st for a QB with career numbers of 57.6% and <6 YPA?

EDIT: Forgot to add his 24:33 TD:TO ratio.
Your hatred of him and St. Louis are comical.
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Your hatred of him and St. Louis are comical.
No hatred. Truth. He hasn't done shit in the NFL and people want to believe hes a franchise QB just because he was drafted #1. I don't see people clamoring for Carr, and he was in a similar situation.
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That's a different scenario. The Rams wouldn't be trading Luck/Bradford for another QB.
No, it's not.

The first pick, post acquisition, was turned into the fifth pick, another first, two thirds, and a fifth, IIRC, with a guy who stated he didn't want to play in the city that took him.

You don't think hamstrung SD's expected value a bit?
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Wouldn't that mean they would be getting an even bigger haul? After all, the QB is the most important position on the team.
No, because they have less leverage 1) when they make the selection and 2) when they have 2 QBs on the roster with one of them having a very undesirable contract.
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No, because they have less leverage 1) when they make the selection and 2) when they have 2 QBs on the roster with one of them having a very undesirable contract.
Ya. SD really had all the leverage. They had a guy who wouldn't sign with their team.
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No hatred. Truth. He hasn't done shit in the NFL and people want to believe hes a franchise QB just because he was drafted #1. I don't see people clamoring for Carr, and he was in a similar situation.
Bradford is in his second year douche and has been hurt this year. He put up decent stats for a rookie with a WR core that couldn't cut in the UFL. You put him in Kansas City with our WRs, Jamaal Charles and hell our line - you would see a totally different QB.
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Bradford is in his second year douche and has been hurt this year. He put up decent stats for a rookie with a WR core that couldn't cut in the UFL. You put him in Kansas City with our WRs, Jamaal Charles and hell our line - you would see a totally different QB.
Decent stats while throwing for <6 YPA.

Carr's second year: 12 295 167 56.6 2013 6.8 9 13 69.5
Bradford's second year: 10 191 357 53.5 2,164 6.06 6 6 70.5
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Bradford is in his second year douche and has been hurt this year. He put up decent stats for a rookie with a WR core that couldn't cut in the UFL. You put him in Kansas City with our WRs, Jamaal Charles and hell our line - you would see a totally different QB.
I tend to agree with that.
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I tend to agree with that.
Every QB can be better with superior talent around them. Franchise QB's elevate their team's lack of talent and, most importantly, win games.
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