Mayock says Poe reminds him of Haloti Ngata - Page 5

Quesadilla Joe · 02-15-2012, 03:18 PM

Mike Mayock on Memphis DL Dontari Poe, says he reminds him of Haloti Ngata potential. 'He's that big, but he's so raw it's scary.'

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Quesadilla Joe · 03-20-2012, 12:00 PM

Many are hyping Dontari Poe as top NT, but he is not a NT & A. Ta'amu from Washington is the best true NT in the 2012 Draft.

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BigChiefFan · 03-20-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

The nose whisperer hath spoken.

El Jefe · 03-20-2012, 02:06 PM

Just say NO to POE.

DJ's left nut · 03-20-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

from what I read on the kid off the field he's not real big self starter and lets himself go ( ballooned up to 400+ pounds in one offseason) and went on a stretch of games in which he was a non factor. The more I read about him outside what I saw on the field gives me doubts that he could be in some degree Ryan Sims esque.

A Sims-esque player is just fine in the 2nd round.

If he were a perfect prospect, he wouldn't be available there.

I see a lot of upside for minimal risk in a package that could grow to be as good or better than anyone in the draft at being a legit 0-tech, 2-gap NT.

ChiefMojo · 03-28-2012, 05:21 PM

Alameda Ta'amu is a true NT and Poe is NOT! Poe is a 5-Tech 3-4 DE just Ngata. Ta'amu is 100% a NT. From all the film I've watch on him, he holds up the point of attack and takes on double teams extremely well. I pray to God he is there at #44!

**RealSNR** · 03-29-2012, 10:05 AM

Tribal:

Ta'amu looked ineffective as a gap shooter because he's NOT a gap shooter. Washington simply doesn't run a defense suitable to Ta'amu's skills.

What we do know is Steve Sark is just another piece of garbage coach from that USC powerhouse 10 years ago. Ta'amu did things he was uncomfortable doing (like stunting out of his gap and rushing the quarterback around the RT). As a NT, especially one in a Romeo Crennel defense, he's only going to be asked to take up the interior blockers, not give ground on running downs, and whenever possible, make only a few behind-the-line stops every few games. And that's while operating as a 2-down nose. That's totally reasonable to expect out of a guy like that.

Hell, ****ing Vince Wilfork was rarely on the field in 3rd downs for most of his career. Spending a 2nd rounder on Ta'amu is absolutely a smart choice.

gonefishin53 · 03-29-2012, 04:48 PM

Ta'amu pushed single blocking around pretty good in the first half of the senior bowl. The south team had to double team him in the second half in order to get anything done. Looked like a 2 gap nt nfl starter to me.

**RealSNR** · 03-29-2012, 05:16 PM

Look how deep Ta'amu is able to get into the backfield on passing downs against inferior competition. Why can't Poe with all his speed, size, and strength do this against similar crap competition?

He's not any kind of pass rushing force whatsoever, but at least we know this guy is a big bad beast to handle up front.

If he can work on getting out of his break faster, he's going to be quite a good nose tackle in the NFL.

htismaqe · 03-30-2012, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 3 4

What is wrong with getting a front3-4 that has the skills to get after a qb on 2nd down? Ain't a Powe or Nadata in that window. Look at the Giants men, their dt and dls are as fast as afc linebackers. Speed and depth kills the AFC.

I'm sure I can speak for a lot of people here and say there's nothing wrong with it, for US.

But we're not the coach, Romeo Crennel is, and his scheme ain't gonna change.

**buddha** · 03-30-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A Sims-esque player is just fine in the 2nd round.

If he were a perfect prospect, he wouldn't be available there.

I see a lot of upside for minimal risk in a package that could grow to be as good or better than anyone in the draft at being a legit 0-tech, 2-gap NT.

What? You'd be happy with another Ryan Sims stiff, and you'd be willing to waste a 2nd rounder on him? WTF are you thinking son?

Not only is he not a perfect prospect...he looks like a wash out. Did you watch the film????

lostcause · 04-02-2012, 08:05 PM

Sooooo, now Poe went from ngata to 4th dl in draft without playing a game. Draft gurus are ****ing idiot schmucks.

BryanBusby · 04-02-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lostcause

Sooooo, now Poe went from ngata to 4th dl in draft without playing a game. Draft gurus are ****ing idiot schmucks.

This is nothing new. It was well known he was going to get pushed to the ****ing moon when he attended the combine, and now those idiots are realizing his tape is awful.

ChiefMojo · 04-02-2012, 10:42 PM

At least Mayock was smart enough in the long run to step back after the combine and re-evaluate more film of Poe. It is apparent he saw the same thing as everyone else. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see that Poe is a work-out warrior but a piss poor DT for his physical specks.
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DJ's left nut · 04-03-2012, 03:25 PM

http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansa...rst-round-pick

I presume this is what folks are referencing?

Yeah - once Mayock finally started paying attention, he saw what the rest of us saw months ago.

I'm tired of listening to these guys and expecting to be wowed by the information they possess. These idiots rarely know anything more than we do. Mayock was talking out his ass, started to actually look into his tripe and realized "wait - I'm full of shit"...

Good for him for at least coming to his senses a little bit.

O.city · 04-03-2012, 06:12 PM

So is there a chance Poe fell to the second, Houston style?

Imagine a Richardson, Poe 1 and 2 round.

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ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	Alameda Ta'amu is a true NT and Poe is NOT! Poe is a 5-Tech 3-4 DE just Ngata. Ta'amu is 100% a NT. From all the film I've watch on him, he holds up the point of attack and takes on double teams extremely well. I pray to God he is there at #44!
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gonefishin53 Starter Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $10011999	Ta'amu pushed single blocking around pretty good in the first half of the senior bowl. The south team had to double team him in the second half in order to get anything done. Looked like a 2 gap nt nfl starter to me.
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ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	At least Mayock was smart enough in the long run to step back after the combine and re-evaluate more film of Poe. It is apparent he saw the same thing as everyone else. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see that Poe is a work-out warrior but a piss poor DT for his physical specks. .
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-660901	http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansa...rst-round-pick I presume this is what folks are referencing? Yeah - once Mayock finally started paying attention, he saw what the rest of us saw months ago. I'm tired of listening to these guys and expecting to be wowed by the information they possess. These idiots rarely know anything more than we do. Mayock was talking out his ass, started to actually look into his tripe and realized "wait - I'm full of shit"... Good for him for at least coming to his senses a little bit. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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