Football Should Penn State Get the Death Penalty? - Page 5

**Trivers** · 07-12-2012, 12:14 PM

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/481264...lege_football/

Looks like officials are going from Penn State to state pen. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

What say ye? If so, for how long?

Sorter · 07-12-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's such a wildly ignorant statement.

It's. Not. Their. Job.

Ask any member of the NCAA and every last one of them will tell you that this is far more abhorrent than tattoos.

Now go ahead and ask a civil judge if he thinks the murderer trial down the hall is more critical to the continuation of polite society than the rent and possession case on their docket that day. I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that one, but tough shit - you're running the civil docket today, Judge. It's someone else's role to monitor the murder trials.

I swear to God, some people are simply incapable of engaging their brains right now. Even if the NCAA wanted to, there is nothing within their regulatory authority that allows them to punish a college for conduct committed by their employees, even employees associated with athletics, for non-athletic related activities. The NCAA does not have plenary police power here.

Jimmies are rustled...

Kidding. TBF, I was just having a bit of fun. I am aware that the NCAA has no power in this matter and shouldn't. It is a legal issue with our criminal justice system. Personally, the people I've had interactions with that have worked throughout the NCAA are generally good people who would definitely fit what you wrote (the exception being aisle monitors/ushers. pricks). That being said, the NCAA does tend to get its priorities screwy in regards to student athlete benefits and regulations. That is what I was poking fun at sarcastically.

Mr. Laz · 07-12-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

No. It is not fair to the kids whom have chosen to go to that school.

they wouldn't be shutting down the school ... JUST THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

Let's try this another way...

Why in the world should the NCAA or Penn St. University want the PSU football program representing them each time it's on t.v. for a football game? You know the announcers are going to talk about it ... people will think about it.

NFL punishes a player for poorly representing the NFL Brand and the PSU football program should be shut down for a couple years so it doesn't represent the rest of the Penn State University or NCAA football.

it fits perfectly under the jurisdiction of NCAA to use it's rules and penalties to defend the reputation of itself and it's members.

By suspending the PSU football program for a few years, the NCAA is saying 'we do not condone this ... we are not part of this ... we will not allow this"

frankly i don't understand why anyone would want to defend the PSU football program.

because that is ALL we are talking about ... just penalties for FOOTBALL only.

Mr. Laz · 07-12-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Do you believe that the average University President needs a reminder that covering up the systematic raping of minor children is bad?

evidently Penn State did ...

vailpass · 07-12-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's such a wildly ignorant statement.

It's. Not. Their. Job.

Ask any member of the NCAA and every last one of them will tell you that this is far more abhorrent than tattoos.

Now go ahead and ask a civil judge if he thinks the murderer trial down the hall is more critical to the continuation of polite society than the rent and possession case on their docket that day. I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that one, but tough shit - you're running the civil docket today, Judge. It's someone else's role to monitor the murder trials.

I swear to God, some people are simply incapable of engaging their brains right now. Even if the NCAA wanted to, there is nothing within their regulatory authority that allows them to punish a college for conduct committed by their employees, even employees associated with athletics, for non-athletic related activities. The NCAA does not have plenary police power here.

What is so hard for some of you to understand about this?

Garcia Bronco · 07-12-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

they wouldn't be shutting down the school ... JUST THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

Let's try this another way...

Why in the world should the NCAA or Penn St. University want the PSU football program representing them each time it's on t.v. for a football game? You know the announcers are going to talk about it ... people will think about it.

NFL punishes a player for poorly representing the NFL Brand and the PSU football program should be shut down for a couple years so it doesn't represent the rest of the Penn State University or NCAA football.

it fits perfectly under the jurisdiction of NCAA to use it's rules and penalties to defend the reputation of itself and it's members.

By suspending the PSU football program for a few years, the NCAA is saying 'we do not condone this ... we are not part of this ... we will not allow this"

frankly i don't understand why anyone would want to defend the PSU football program.

because that is ALL we are talking about ... just penalties for FOOTBALL only.

I agree. The NCAA couldn't shut down the entire school because they don't own it. I don't even understand how someone would think that's the focal point of the conversation. We're clearly talking about the football program.

DJ's left nut · 07-12-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

evidently Penn State did ...

No.

Spanier, Shultz, Curley and Paterno did.

You go ahead and let me know when you're willing to let every organization you associate yourself be characterized by any mis-deeds of highly ranked individuals within that organization...oh, and that you're willing to have any of those mis-deeds imparted onto you as well. Afterall, as part of the organization, you've clearly offered a tacit acceptance of the conduct and therefore should be punished.

ChiefsHawk · 07-12-2012, 02:49 PM

the agruement that they shouldnt punish the program now because none of them had anything to do with it is plain stupid. if that were the case teams would buy off half their recruits because you shouldnt punish the players that didnt do anything wrong therefore no program punishments. their recent recruiting class knew there was a chance of sanctions

Mr. Laz · 07-12-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

What is so hard for some of you to understand about this?

because it's not true

the NCAA has all the power it needs to limit PSU football as it pertains to the NCAA.

Now if Penn State want to stop being a member of the NCAA then it can do what it wants. Until then the NCAA can penalize them several different way.

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Understanding the process
The enforcement staff holds member institutions accountable by seeking out and processing information about possible violations of NCAA rules, giving schools an opportunity to respond and presenting facts to membership-led committees.

The enforcement process strives to be fair to the involved institution, its employees and student-athletes throughout the investigation, charging, hearing and penalty-assessment stages. Fairness to other institutions also is a consideration.

pretty sure that football coaches raping children in the football locker rule would fall under 'violating NCAA rules' of conduct.

Brock · 07-12-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

pretty sure that football coaches raping children in the football locker rule would fall under 'violating NCAA rules' of conduct.

You're probably wrong to assume that it does.

Chiefnj2 · 07-12-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What good comes of shuttering the Penn State football program?

It acts as a deterrent to other universities that if anything happens in your athletic department you better do the right thing.

And you can't act like the President, Vice President and AD are just three ordinary university employees.

Mr. Laz · 07-12-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No.

Spanier, Shultz, Curley and Paterno did.

You go ahead and let me know when you're willing to let every organization you associate yourself be characterized by any mis-deeds of highly ranked individuals within that organization...oh, and that you're willing to have any of those mis-deeds imparted onto you as well. Afterall, as part of the organization, you've clearly offered a tacit acceptance of the conduct and therefore should be punished.

ok, strawman.

Mr. Laz · 07-12-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You're probably wrong to assume that it does.

probably

Setsuna · 07-12-2012, 02:53 PM

The football program should be put down to the ground. People who are put out by it will be honored for the sake of the children. **** anyone who disagrees.

DJ's left nut · 07-12-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsHawk

the agruement that they shouldnt punish the program now because none of them had anything to do with it is plain stupid. if that were the case teams would buy off half their recruits because you shouldnt punish the players that didnt do anything wrong therefore no program punishments. their recent recruiting class knew there was a chance of sanctions

The argument is that it's not their place.

There's nothing criminal about paying someone to come work for you. If there was no threat of sanctions from the NCAA for buying off players, you're absolutely right - coaches would pay through the nose. That is what perfectly illustrates where the NCAA leaves off, however.

It is illegal to obstruct justice. What prevents coaches and athletic departments from obstructing justice is not the threat of regulation by the NCAA, it's the threat of massive criminal liability. If the NCAA never existed, coaches would still a significant disincentive to condone rape in their lockerrooms - would you agree?

The NCAA is not your parents. It is not God. The NCAA is nothing more than a regulatory body tasked with ensuring the uniform and systematic administration of amateur athletics. It exists to enforce its own rules as they relate to amateur athletes. That is not what we're regulating right here.

There is an avenue for preventing this behavior. It provides a greater deterrent for it than shutting down a football program ever could.

DJ's left nut · 07-12-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

ok, strawman.

Says the person that refuses to note that individuals acted wrongly here and continues to castigate a monolith that doesn't actually exist.

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