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Old 10-17-2012, 10:45 AM   #1
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And four years after he finally got a QB. I get what you're saying, dude. I just think that Cowher had competitive, tough, winning teams until that point. When he got his QB, he got to the Super Bowl.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Cowher would win a Super Bowl with KC. But someone needs to right the ship, and fast. I have confidence that Cowher could do that. I don't understand this revisionist history where Cowher was a mediocre coach.
I don't think there's any revisionist history happening. Cowher was a good coach that went to a Super Bowl and won another in 15 years.

Since then, his replacement has won a Super Bowl and lost another, in just a few short years (and with FAR less talent than Cowher's teams).

He was far from mediocre but his stubborn attitude towards QB's cost him and Pittsburgh several more shots at Super Bowl titles.

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And I have zero doubt that Marty would have won a SB if they had kept Brees.

He got fired after a 14-2 season, because he wanted to keep Brees over Rivers. That doesn't sound like a guy who the game had passed.
I've mentioned this before but I guess it's worth mentioning again: Marty hasn't been employed by an NFL team since 2006. Why?

Well, it has nothing to due with his coaching. It has to due with the fact that he wants personnel control.

1: Cleveland. He was fired for Mike Junkin (#5 overall, bust) and the failure to hire an offensive coordinator after Lindy Infante left for Green Bay.
2. Resigned in KC after terrible 1998 season in which he wrestled personnel control from Carl Peterson.
3. Fired in Washington after 8-8 season for attempting to wrestle personnel control from Vinny Cerato.
4. Fired in San Diego after 2006 for attempting to wrestle control from A.J. Smith in San Diego.

In each of those situations, Marty pulled the "Me or Him" routine, in which he lost in every city but KC. If he'd shut up and coach, he'd be in the NFL right now.

But he can't.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:20 AM   #2
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Can you post a link to Danny on lazlo's show? Is there a podcast?
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:21 AM   #3
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I guess Cowher is ok if you have a good OC who can talk him out of Martyesque tendencies.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:25 AM   #4
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I guess Cowher is ok if you have a good OC who can talk him out of Martyesque tendencies.
Todd Haley?

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Old 10-17-2012, 08:40 AM   #5
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:51 AM   #6
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Quite a problem for Clark to solve, and I don't know if he's up to it. The experiment with Pioli has gone up in flames, along with a great deal of fan support. Too many empty seats and banner donations are being generated by too much bad football, from a team now ranked dead last by ESPN.
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Um Cowher once he had Ben would open the playbook and throw it. Hell even when they had Maddox they'd throw it alot
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:24 AM   #8
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I would not be happy with Cowher, but, he runs the same systems -- E/P offense & 34 2 gap defense.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:27 AM   #10
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I don't think the Chiefs are as close to being a player in the NFL as you all do but it would not take a whole lot to get them there... Seems to me it would be an attractive place to be overall from the standpoint of the odds of being successful.
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not interested in cowher, but Ball is alright
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:28 AM   #12
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Ah the Cowher talk....

Nothing like the quest for mediocrity...

Sad, sad times in KC when you have to continue to regress, just to appease the fanbase...

KC has zero desire to ever win anything meaningful.. I laughed out loud when 610 guys were talking about Chiefs winning in the 90's... Chiefs havent won shit in 40 years. Maybe it was talking about winning in Super Tecmo Bowl or something...
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Ah the Cowher talk....

Nothing like the quest for mediocrity...

Sad, sad times in KC when you have to continue to regress, just to appease the fanbase...

KC has zero desire to ever win anything meaningful.. I laughed out loud when 610 guys were talking about Chiefs winning in the 90's... Chiefs havent won shit in 40 years. Maybe it was talking about winning in Super Tecmo Bowl or something...
I see, and agree, with what you saying but the good news is that it's a moot point.

The Chiefs didn't win in the 90s because they didn't have that QB. Well that'll get taken care of this next draft. They're taking a QB with their first pick. So right off that bat the philosophy is different. No matter who they hire (Cowher or not) Then we go from there.
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Reerun KC, well who do you want to be head coach?
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Reerun KC, well who do you want to be head coach?
I'd like to dig up that Lombardi fellar and see if he's interested........
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