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Old 02-25-2013, 12:47 PM  
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2009 = 2013
The 2008 season = 2-14, ushered in the ***** regime.

The 2012 season = 2-14, ushered in the Reid regime.

3rd overall pick in 2009, with a great QB prospect on board (Sanchez), no QB on the roster.

1st overall pick in 2013, with a great QB prospect on board (Smith), no QB on the roster.

Chiefs trade a high 2nd in 2009 for somebody else's backup (Matt Cassel).

Chiefs trade a high 2nd in 2013 for somebody else's backup (Alex Smith).

Matt Cassel's career stats as of today: 58% completion, 6.6 yards/pass, 173 yards/game, 82 TD to 57 INT, 160 sacks, and 24 40+ yard plays.

Alex Smith's career stats as of today: 59% completion, 6.6 yards/pass, 178 yards/game, 81 TD to 63 INT, 196 sacks, and 33 40+ yard plays.

Chiefs use the 3rd overall in 2009 on a non-impact trench player (Tyson Jackson).

Chiefs use the 1st overall in 2013 on a non-impact trench player (Eric Fisher).

In 2009, the QB all us Chiefs fans wanted (Mark Sanchez) was taken by the Jets instead. (He ended up sucking.)

In 2013, the QB all us Chiefs fans wanted (Geno Smith) was taken by the Jets instead. (Time will tell.)

I HATE THIS GODDAMN TEAM.

SERIOUSLY.

**** THIS GODDAMN TEAM.
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Old 02-25-2013, 01:52 PM   #61
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Nobody is BLAMING Dorsey and Reid for everything bad that has ever happened with the Chiefs.

People are, RIGHTFULLY, concerned that they will repeat the mistakes of the past. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I'll be bitterly disappointed if Reid and Dorsey bring in Alex instead of Geno.

But Alex Smith is not Matt Cassel. If Reid and Dorsey decide to go in that direction, I'm not jumping off of a bridge. I'll hope that they are right and I am wrong.

I liked the earlier post in this thread where it was pointed out that if the Chiefs had drafted Mark Sanchez, there would be similar threads today saying that the Chiefs must draft Luke Joekel instead of Geno Smith in order to avoid history repeating itself.

Fact #1: The players are different, the guys doing the evaluations are different, and the situations are different.

Fact #2: No head coach or GM worth a shit lets the fans choose the quarterback, no matter how intense the feelings of the fans are.
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Old 02-25-2013, 01:54 PM   #62
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No matter how many times you pause, rewind and play the movie Titanic it hits the iceberg everytime.

The Chiefs are the Titanic; Alex Smith / Matt Cassel / Trent Green / Elvis Grbac / Steve Bono / Joe Montana / Steve Deberg are the iceberg.

That whole thing with Kate Winslet on the piece of wood is the same thing that's played out since 1983.
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Old 02-25-2013, 02:01 PM   #63
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But Alex Smith is not Matt Cassel. If Reid and Dorsey decide to go in that direction, I'm not jumping off of a bridge. I'll hope that they are right and I am wrong.
No, he's not. Over the course of his entire career, he's actually WORSE than Matt Cassel.

And if they go that direction, they're stupid. Just like Pioli was stupid. I don't have any hope and they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Period.

Now, for me, it's not just Alex Smith in a vacuum. If they still draft a QB #1 overall, that's something. But if we get Smith and draft a tackle, it's over for me. No more histrionics, I promise. Because I'm walking away.
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Old 02-25-2013, 02:01 PM   #64
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Pretty sure 2009 < 2013, actually.
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Old 02-25-2013, 02:03 PM   #65
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This idea keeps coming up. All it's going to do is make you angry. You aren't going to ever hire anyone who cares about this kind of history. If Reid and Dorsey are fired in 4 years, the next guy isn't going to care about the mistakes they made. Just like Dorsey doesn't care about *****.
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Look at the history. Herm didn't care about Marty's mistakes. Vermeil didn't care about Gunther's mistakes (though Vermeil was primarily a mistake unto himself when it concerned certain aspects of coaching). Pioli didn't care about Carl's mistakes. Carl didn't care about Steadman's mistakes.

Like it or not, when you take over a team, you inherit all the successes and failures of that team's past. And that means it would behoove somebody like Reid and Dorsey to look at the Chiefs and say, "Maybe Alex Smith isn't going to work. Maybe we should go a different direction that they haven't tried before. How about the draft?"
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With the benefit of hindsight, Tyson Jackson was a better pick than Mark Sanchez.
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Old 02-25-2013, 02:05 PM   #67
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Look at the history. Herm didn't care about Marty's mistakes. Vermeil didn't care about Gunther's mistakes (though Vermeil was primarily a mistake unto himself when it concerned certain aspects of coaching). ***** didn't care about Carl's mistakes. Carl didn't care about Steadman's mistakes.

Like it or not, when you take over a team, you inherit all the successes and failures of that team's past. And that means it would behoove somebody like Reid and Dorsey to look at the Chiefs and say, "Maybe Alex Smith isn't going to work. Maybe we should go a different direction that they haven't tried before. How about the draft?"
It may be nice to think it would work that way, but do you really think Andy Reid is going to draw his conclusions based upon the history of the Chiefs, or will he draw them based upon his own personal history as head coach of the Eagles?
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Old 02-25-2013, 02:06 PM   #68
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Look at the history. Herm didn't care about Marty's mistakes. Vermeil didn't care about Gunther's mistakes (though Vermeil was primarily a mistake unto himself when it concerned certain aspects of coaching). ***** didn't care about Carl's mistakes. Carl didn't care about Steadman's mistakes.

Like it or not, when you take over a team, you inherit all the successes and failures of that team's past. And that means it would behoove somebody like Reid and Dorsey to look at the Chiefs and say, "Maybe Alex Smith isn't going to work. Maybe we should go a different direction that they haven't tried before. How about the draft?"
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It may be nice to think it would work that way, but do you really think Andy Reid is going to draw his conclusions based upon the history of the Chiefs, or will he draw them based upon his own personal history as head coach of the Eagles?
In an ideal world, he'd do both.
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But if we get Smith and draft a tackle, it's over for me. No more histrionics, I promise. Because I'm walking away.
If they do that, I am assuming the responsibility of ChiefsPlanet's unrestrained id.
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d- the diff is that you have veteran leaders as opposed to importing them. not that it'll make a diff, but that is one reason why you want veterans on your team.

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No, he's not. Over the course of his entire career, he's actually WORSE than Matt Cassel.
Yup.

If you include only his last year as a Patriot and his entire Chiefs tenure, Cassel actually lays Alex Smith to waste.

Only when you include the years where he basically came in two times a year to hand the ball off to running backs does Alex Smith catch up.
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Look at the history. Herm didn't care about Marty's mistakes. Vermeil didn't care about Gunther's mistakes (though Vermeil was primarily a mistake unto himself when it concerned certain aspects of coaching). Pioli didn't care about Carl's mistakes. Carl didn't care about Steadman's mistakes.

Like it or not, when you take over a team, you inherit all the successes and failures of that team's past. And that means it would behoove somebody like Reid and Dorsey to look at the Chiefs and say, "Maybe Alex Smith isn't going to work. Maybe we should go a different direction that they haven't tried before. How about the draft?"
That is all absolutely correct... but nobody is going out there making moves just to avoid repeating what the previous guy did. They're going to do what they think is right. No GM is ever going to draft a QB just because it hasn't been done in 30 years.
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I love how this place is ready to write off the Reid/Dorsey regime BEFORE THEIR FIRST FREAKING DRAFT, let alone the first game!
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