Chiefs Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit? - Page 5

Rexx · 01-05-2014, 03:38 PM

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

rabblerouser · 01-05-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

Be thankful you didn't watch, it was as painful as the loss. We're pretty much jokes to the rest of the NFL fans across the nation. LOTS of I told you so's.

I believe it.

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I've read that you don't need a better coach, you just need a better plot line.

nah, we just need to draft an anointed 'future of the position' at qb - or someone with the surname of Manning.

Lex Luthor · 01-05-2014, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

Yes I do know that. I just think it will tarnish his legacy as a Chief. I don't agree with it but there will always be the "what if Jamall didn't get hurt" hanging over his head.

Don't be such an idiot. What the **** was Charles supposed to do? Was he supposed to go into the clubhouse, fire up his flux capacitor, jump back into the past and prevent his head from hitting the turf?

He didn't want to come out of the game. The NFL is scared to death of all of the concussion lawsuits, and they have made the concussion protocol MANDATORY.

The idiocy of some people around here is astounding.

Valiant · 01-05-2014, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

No its year 1.

It is not the 80s or 90s anymore, most of the league does not need multiple year rebuilding. You should be able to compete year in year out, tops in 2 years. Unless you are one of those franchises like the Browns or the Chiefs.

rabblerouser · 01-05-2014, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

It is not the 80s or 90s anymore, most of the league does not need multiple year rebuilding. You should be able to compete year in year out, tops in 2 years. Unless you are one of those franchises like the Browns or the Chiefs.

hard, hard fact of life.

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

Don't be such an idiot. What the **** was Charles supposed to do? Was he supposed to go into the clubhouse, fire up his flux capacitor, jump back into the past and prevent his head from hitting the turf?

He didn't want to come out of the game. The NFL is scared to death of all of the concussion lawsuits, and they have made the concussion protocol MANDATORY.

The idiocy of some people around here is astounding.

Hey jackoff.. I'm not saying it was his fault, I understand he couldn't go back in. I'm just telling you what the media has been saying today, mainly NFL Network. They questioned his toughness.

Lex Luthor · 01-05-2014, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

Hey jackoff.. I'm not saying it was his fault, I understand he couldn't go back in. I'm just telling you what the media has been saying today, mainly NFL Network. They questioned his toughness.

Liar.

You're trying to backtrack from the stupidity of your original post. You said "you have to be there for your team" and "I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii".

You were stupid. At least own it.

McBeard · 01-05-2014, 07:02 PM

Reid is still shining bright for me. There will never be a coach that wouldn't piss you guys off. Even if Landry, Knoll, Walsh, or Lombardi was coaching the Chiefs there would still be major complaints and knit picking. It's the way it rolls in fan bases.

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

Liar.

You're trying to backtrack from the stupidity of your original post. You said "you have to be there for your team" and "I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii".

You were stupid. At least own it.

I'm a big dummy.

I think for whatever reason the Chiefs are playoff cursed. Shit like that doesn't happen to other teams.

**Easy 6** · 01-05-2014, 07:03 PM

NFL Network was questioning his toughness?

Yeah, not buying that at any price.

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

NFL Network was questioning his toughness?

Yeah, not buying that at any price.

They talked about his impact had he not gotten hurt. They also talked about his torn ACL injury. So in a way.. They did.

Lex Luthor · 01-05-2014, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

They talked about his impact had he not gotten hurt. They also talked about his torn ACL injury. So in a way.. They did.

I thought there was hope for you as a poster when you admitted that you were a big dummy. But then you negated that when you insisted that the NFL was questioning Jamaal Charles' toughness when it's clear that they weren't.

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

I thought there was hope for you as a poster when you admitted that you were a big dummy. But then you negated that when you insisted that the NFL was questioning Jamaal Charles' toughness when it's clear that they weren't.

I guess I'm not worthy of being a "poster" then. Lol.

I'm just telling you how I feel. Charles is a great running back and I do feel he will be tarnished by this injury, especially if the Chiefs don't make it back to the playoffs in the next couple of years. I'm not stupid, I know it's not his fault he got hurt and I know he had no control to go back in. That doesn't change the fact that when we needed him the most, he wasn't there.

**cdcox** · 01-05-2014, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Was anyone truly confident in handing the ball off to Davis all game with his fumbling issues? Andy would have ran the ball more if Charles did not get hurt.

Davis averaged 3.7 yards per carry. Feeding him the rock on a predictable basis was going to lead to a lot of 3 and outs. The problem on offense wasn't that we didn't run clock, it is that we didn't score enough points in the 2nd half.

milkman · 01-05-2014, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Davis averaged 3.7 yards per carry. Feeding him the rock on a predictable basis was going to lead to a lot of 3 and outs. The problem on offense wasn't that we didn't run clock, it is that we didn't score enough points in the 2nd half.

No, the problem on offense is that Reid tried to utilize the short passing game to burn clock rather than continue to attack.

milkman · 01-05-2014, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

I guess I'm not worthy of being a "poster" then. Lol.

I'm just telling you how I feel. Charles is a great running back and I do feel he will be tarnished by this injury, especially if the Chiefs don't make it back to the playoffs in the next couple of years. I'm not stupid, I know it's not his fault he got hurt and I know he had no control to go back in. That doesn't change the fact that when we needed him the most, he wasn't there.

You're a ****ing moron.

Sadly, there's no rule against moronacy.

01-05-2014, 03:38 PM
Rexx Seeing Red! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NM, USA Casino cash: $10005814	Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit? I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry... It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point. 1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this. 2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL. 3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis. 4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ. I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents..... I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?
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McBeard Banned Join Date: Dec 2013 Casino cash: $10004900	Reid is still shining bright for me. There will never be a coach that wouldn't piss you guys off. Even if Landry, Knoll, Walsh, or Lombardi was coaching the Chiefs there would still be major complaints and knit picking. It's the way it rolls in fan bases.
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