Chiefs I mocked-up the first 22 picks in the draft. You pick the 23rd. - Page 5

Direckshun · 10:56 AM

1. Houston Texans: QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
2. St. Louis Rams: OT Greg Robinson, Auburn
3. Jacksonville Jaguars: DE Jadaveon Clowney, South Carolina
4. Cleveland Browns: QB Terry Bridgewater, Louisville
5. Oakland Raiders: WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson
6. Atlanta Falcons: DE Khalil Mack, Buffalo
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: QB Blake Bortles, Central Florida
8. Minnesota Vikings: QB Derek Carr, Fresno State
9. Buffalo Bills: WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
10. Detroit Lions: CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State
11. Tennessee Titans: OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA
12. New York Giants: OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
13. St. Louis Rams: WR Odell Beckham, Jr., LSU
14. Chicago Bears: DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
15. Pittsburgh Steelers: DE Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota
16. Dallas Cowboys: DE Kony Ealy, Missouri
17. Baltimore Ravens: OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan
18. New York Jets: TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina
19. Miami Dolphins: NT Louis Nix III, Notre Dame
20. Arizona Cardinals: S HaHa Clinton-Dix, Alabama
21. Green Bay Packers: S Calvin Pryor, Louisville
22. Philadelphia Eagles: CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
23. Kansas City Chiefs: ???

Poll will take a few minutes.

saphojunkie · 03-07-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Just did, chief.

Right on. It was the principle of the thing.

TEX · 03-07-2014, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

We got another Fasano last year. Kelce is primarily a blocking TE. He's not a dynamic pass catcher at all...

You got that right - he looked like he was "fighting" to catch anything last preseason. He might have been thinking too much, but still... If anyone on the planet watches Amaro run routes, they will easily see his ability to run circles around Kelce as a pass-catching TE. Absolutely no question about that. Not dogging Kelce, Amaro will make most TE's look that way. He's a WR playing TE. You can see that.

Chief Roundup · 03-07-2014, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

That depends on what rounds those other picks come from.

A second to go along with a 5th and 6th would be a big time haul.

Those 4th-7th round picks this year all carry over a full round premium due to the depth of the class.

There are almost 200 players with a 3rd round or higher grade in this class.

Well depends on what you are talking about here really.
If we simply trade back and stay in the first then those picks will all be at the end of their respective rounds.
Or trade back to the top part of the 2cd and then get those picks at the top of the rounds.
I don't know if I want to trade back 10+ places. It will all depend on who is available and how it all works out.

htismaqe · 03-07-2014, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Right on. It was the principle of the thing.

I've done it so many times, I sometimes just assume everybody has read it. My bad totally.

**BossChief** · 03-07-2014, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

Kelce had microfracture? Yeah he's done find another tight end.

He's not done, but I bet anything they take it really slow with him.

Especially with the way the game is played across the middle in today's NFL...defenders are coached to go for the knees and if a helmet hits that thing at the wrong angle with enough pressure, that thing could shatter.

They need to make absolutely sure that its fully healed or else one hit could end his career.

I bet he starts out on pup even though his injury happened early in ps.

htismaqe · 03-07-2014, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I disagree on Kelces receiving skills.

I think he has a big time upside after watching him in camp ...and I was not a fan of the pick. The guy has a chance to be a damn good tight end if he can overcome this injury both physically and mentally. I don't think he can be Gronkowski good, but I think he could be a guy that's better than guys like Heath Miller (who is pretty good in his own right)

The guy showed the ability to beat coverage on DJ (one of the best coverage backers in the game) quite a bit while I was there and caught everything thrown to him, including some really nice catches. I think his drops in preseason were nothing but jitters.

My concern with him is his trust in his knee that it will hold up to all the shots it's gonna take. Micro fractures play a mental game with the people that get them because players know how problematic they can be if they don't heal perfectly.

This offense with a healthy and confident Kelce going along with a guy like Amaro would be extremely hard to stop. The safeties would need to stay in coverage and under those circumstances, Jamaal Charles could average close to 7 YPC if the line can open some holes.

Oh, and Bowe would rape.

I don't see it but you saw him and camp and I didn't. I'm going only off of the games I saw him play in college.

Some guys adjust better to the pro game, that is for certain.

**BossChief** · 03-07-2014, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Well depends on what you are talking about here really.
If we simply trade back and stay in the first then those picks will all be at the end of their respective rounds.
Or trade back to the top part of the 2cd and then get those picks at the top of the rounds.
I don't know if I want to trade back 10+ places. It will all depend on who is available and how it all works out.

There are more than 10 players on that list that I'd be happy with at 23, that means we can move down AT LEAST 10 spots and still get a difference maker...there are 50 players in this class that currently carry first round grades, adding another second (even if its towards the end of the round) would be like adding another first round pick. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

**BossChief** · 03-07-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't see it but you saw him and camp and I didn't. I'm going only off of the games I saw him play in college.

Some guys adjust better to the pro game, that is for certain.

absolutely. Some guys were used a specific way in college and once they get to the NFL, are better used to exploit their strengths and gifts. I was very excited to see him in this offense.

It was weird because I didn't see him drop a pass in camp, but he dropped everything in ps. That's what makes me think it was just jitters. The talent is there to be a big target with enough speed to get open. He needed some work on not rounding off his breaks, but the guy was sealing the edge like a vet and caught everything.

I think he can be a 60 catch, 700 yards and 7-10 tds per year guy if he can overcome the injury.

saphojunkie · 03-07-2014, 01:15 PM

Kelce might have upside as a receiver, but the truth is we have absolutely NO reason to think that we can rely on him as a starting tight end. Maybe we can, maybe we can't.

A lot of us are on the same page, though, right? We'd prefer to trade back, pick up a second rounder, and hedge our bets with two picks in the top 50, right?

I'd rather have Jordan Mathews and Seferian-Jenkins than just Beckham or Amaro.

**BossChief** · 03-07-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Kelce might have upside as a receiver, but the truth is we have absolutely NO reason to think that we can rely on him as a starting tight end. Maybe we can, maybe we can't.

A lot of us are on the same page, though, right? We'd prefer to trade back, pick up a second rounder, and hedge our bets with two picks in the top 50, right?

I'd rather have Jordan Mathews and Seferian-Jenkins than just Beckham or Amaro.

No question...but Matthews is gonna go a lot sooner than most think.

That guy is gonna be a ****ing stud if he goes into the right situation.

htismaqe · 03-07-2014, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

He needed some work on not rounding off his breaks, but the guy was sealing the edge like a vet and caught everything.

Yeah, he's not a polished route runner. SUPER raw in that department - in fact, you'll probably see your exact statement (rounding off his breaks) in his scouting reports.

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I think he can be a 60 catch, 700 yards and 7-10 tds per year guy if he can overcome the injury.

See, I see him more in the 35-40 catch range and 4-5 TDs. Dependable, not dynamic.

htismaqe · 03-07-2014, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I'd rather have Jordan Mathews and Seferian-Jenkins than just Beckham or Amaro.

Um yeah. That would be awesome.

**ChiTown** · 03-07-2014, 01:23 PM

Amaro, and it's not even close for me.

Mr_Tomahawk · 03-07-2014, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Dee Ford or stephon tuitt. The moment the pass rush disappeared was the moment this team fell apart.
We can get a quality WR in rd 3

This.

saphojunkie · 03-07-2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Um yeah. That would be awesome.

Look at the OP. That's 14 guys who could all be all sitting on the board. Not one of them, but all of them. If we traded ten spots down, we'd STILL have a tough decision to make.

The problem is that the depth of this draft might prevent other teams from feeling a pressure to move up, though.

God-willing, a QB falls to us or someone falls in love with one player.

Regardless, there is going to be a damn good player that finds his way to #23.

View Poll Results: Who do you take at 23?
QB Zach Mettenberger, LSU	2	1.98%
WR Marquise Lee, USC	23	22.77%
WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State	24	23.76%
WR Allen Robinson, Penn State	1	0.99%
WR Jordan Matthews, Vanderbilt	5	4.95%
TE Jace Amaro, Texas Tech	16	15.84%
TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington	3	2.97%
OT/G Zack Martin, Notre Dame	3	2.97%
DE Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame	7	6.93%
OLB Trent Murphy, Stanford	0	0%
OLB Dee Ford, Auburn	7	6.93%
ILB C.J. Mosley, Alabama	6	5.94%
CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech	0	0%
CB Jason Verrett, TCU	0	0%
Is Direckshun's whore of a mother still on the board? I RACE TO THE PODIUM	4	3.96%
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03-06-2014, 10:27 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I mocked-up the first 22 picks in the draft. You pick the 23rd. 1. Houston Texans: QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M 2. St. Louis Rams: OT Greg Robinson, Auburn 3. Jacksonville Jaguars: DE Jadaveon Clowney, South Carolina 4. Cleveland Browns: QB Terry Bridgewater, Louisville 5. Oakland Raiders: WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson 6. Atlanta Falcons: DE Khalil Mack, Buffalo 7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: QB Blake Bortles, Central Florida 8. Minnesota Vikings: QB Derek Carr, Fresno State 9. Buffalo Bills: WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M 10. Detroit Lions: CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State 11. Tennessee Titans: OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA 12. New York Giants: OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M 13. St. Louis Rams: WR Odell Beckham, Jr., LSU 14. Chicago Bears: DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh 15. Pittsburgh Steelers: DE Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota 16. Dallas Cowboys: DE Kony Ealy, Missouri 17. Baltimore Ravens: OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan 18. New York Jets: TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina 19. Miami Dolphins: NT Louis Nix III, Notre Dame 20. Arizona Cardinals: S HaHa Clinton-Dix, Alabama 21. Green Bay Packers: S Calvin Pryor, Louisville 22. Philadelphia Eagles: CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State 23. Kansas City Chiefs: ??? Poll will take a few minutes. Last edited by Direckshun; 03-07-2014 at 10:56 AM..
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