2013 Sandbox Simulations League 1 Thread - Page 53

DJ's left nut · 12:35 PM

Figured creating a new thread for the upcoming league 1 season would probably help consolidate discussion.

Teams:

Anchorage Roadkill Rabbits lostcause
Austin Armadillos noa
Cedar Rapids Angry Clam Hammers dj56dt58
Chula Vista cripplas mrroandro
Clearwater Donkeys DJsleftnut
Dallas K-Swiss Tubes Zeke
Denver Broncos Wonton prejudice (gochiefs).
Duluth Pillagers rain man
Fort Wayne Dukes jerm
Fort Worth Drifters KCChiefsman
High Point Knob Hills ChiefAshhole20
Independence Vision cdcox
Kansas City Ball Busters Kyle DeLexus
Las Vegas Lonely Strippers sfchief
Overland Park Chiefs Old Dog
Pittsburgh Tacos brorth
Portland Rhein Foster (not a cp member - contact via djsleftnut)
Provo Knuckledraggers rageeumr
Richmond Tigerhawks carlos3652
Springfield Attack bevischief
St Joseph Stetsons austinchief
Topeka Tyrannicide Allen_kccard
Ventura Highways rockchalk
Wichita Potheads Confirmed topher79

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lostcause · 05-29-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Thanks for the feedback, everyone, and we're looking at all the suggestions.

Question, though - how many players would you expect to replace on your roster each year?

7 rookies, maybe keep 5-6 on average teams with decent talent. Throwing back maybe another 5-8 vets who were on one-year deals, retiring, hitting FA or being replaced by rookies with upside. I'd say around 10-15 per year. So about 20-25% of the roster. Towards the lower spectrum on teams with young talent and more on teams that hit an age wall and have had fire sales for draft picks or such.

sfchief · 05-29-2013, 09:07 PM

At first not many, but 2 or 3yrs down the road I think it will b a lot more

I'm not trying to criticize this is a fabulous game. I'm just thinking about strategy and what this may look like after several seasons.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-30-2013, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by carlos3652

Yes - I just feel that lets say you put everyone on a 3 year contract - in 3 years - you might have a turnover of 100% and lose your best players to other teams?

Thats not normal - A team keeps their best player normally - for at least 2 contracts...

Each year you can resign 10 players. So if you signed 10 players in year one, 10 in year two, and 10 in year three... you're not losing all your players. It's not that complicated to figure out.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-30-2013, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lostcause

7 rookies, maybe keep 5-6 on average teams with decent talent. Throwing back maybe another 5-8 vets who were on one-year deals, retiring, hitting FA or being replaced by rookies with upside. I'd say around 10-15 per year. So about 20-25% of the roster. Towards the lower spectrum on teams with young talent and more on teams that hit an age wall and have had fire sales for draft picks or such.

With this approach, FA will be non-existent... there will be no value in Free Agency. You want to have some sort of cap so that say you have 20 FA's... 5 of those are guys you're wanting to get out... 10 you resign... 5 you're gonna have to make a decision on...

I'm not saying those numbers are correct.. I'm just throwing them out there as an example. You want to have a little turnover to the teams of valuables so that the Free Agency period actually means something. It's more fun of a game when you have 10 guys you wanna keep, but can only re-sign 6 of them... it forces decisions, and again it gives the free agency pool meaning and excitement.

Just gotta find a balance.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-30-2013, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Here's one thing I do like about a setup that I'm not really in love with:

In the NFL, are you ever more than 3 years away from a playoff spot? 5 years away from a Super Bowl? No matter how awful a team is, it can truly be rebuilt in the NFL in the span of a couple of seasons largely due to a thriving FA market.

Well...that's what this league would do as well. It's going to be awfully tough to build a true dynasty, but at the same time, a team can be smart, fly under the radar and rebuild a team in just a season or two.

I still don't love how this thing is set up and I believe this is largely an unintended consequence, but it's still an upshot.

My annoyance remains in the inability to sign role players to deals that are more than a year long. If I want to sign a nice swing tackle for 3 years, I'm going to have to pay him like my starting guard. Well that's just bizarre.

But it feeds turnover, feeds FA depth and feeds increased competition every single season that extends beyond merely the NFL draft. It turns the league from a full blown 'dynasty' league into more of a keeper league where you can note a handful of guys as keepers and the rest of the team is essentially re-draft every season.

It's not the worst thing in the world, but I'd sure like to see some tweeking to account for guys that make smart decisions on young players and/or guys pre-breakout. There really should be a mechanism for allowing a team to keep that guy on the roster without having to go bid among the masses.

But this promotes movement, it promotes continuous planning from year to year. Not one guy piling up on all the talent intially in the game and then sitting pat winning the league for 5 years. It makes everyone actually work and be attentive, the most active owners that do their homework and plan correctly will do very well every year...

DJ's left nut · 05-30-2013, 12:08 PM

Absolutely, I recognize that - but I still wish there was a way to get someone below market for more than a year.

My example is Amari Spievey. Spievey is a serious concussion case right now and someone you could never take much of a risk on. However, if the Lions went to him and offered him a discounted 3 year deal, he'd take it in a heartbeat.

I'd love to do the same; I think Spievey is a damn talented football player and I'd like to give him a 3 year deal so I can hold him through this 2012 season (lost to a concussion) and then get him for another couple of years at a reasonable rate. If I want to do that, I'll essentially have to pay him for 3 years at a productive veteran rate when A) I know I'll only get 2 out of him and B) I have no idea how he'll recover.

It's just really difficult to take fliers on breakout candidates and hope to get them on a discount contract for a couple of years. A smart manager should be rewarded for being able to go locate those guys and should get a little more of a bump for it than a single undervalued year.

TambaBerry · 05-30-2013, 12:54 PM

how many guys does everyone have on a 7 year contract?

**Rain Man** · 05-30-2013, 01:30 PM

If we made some changes to the system now based on feedback (no guarantees, just saying), would it screw up everyone's contracts? We're just figuring out if we should make any changes now or wait until the 2013 season.

sfchief · 05-30-2013, 02:38 PM

I can only speak for myself but would welcome some changes

Maybe a rookie wage scale
A one time resigning per player or a certain # per yr
Once in FA it's a great system

**noa** · 05-30-2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

If we made some changes to the system now based on feedback (no guarantees, just saying), would it screw up everyone's contracts? We're just figuring out if we should make any changes now or wait until the 2013 season.

It would be great to make changes now, but yes, I'd have to redo my contract offerings, which I already finalized.
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Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-30-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tambaberry

how many guys does everyone have on a 7 year contract?

Only one.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-30-2013, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

If we made some changes to the system now based on feedback (no guarantees, just saying), would it screw up everyone's contracts? We're just figuring out if we should make any changes now or wait until the 2013 season.

This is a beta, make all the changes you feel necessary! We can always start the "contracts" process over.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-30-2013, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfchief

I can only speak for myself but would welcome some changes

Maybe a rookie wage scale
A one time resigning per player or a certain # per yr
Once in FA it's a great system

All rookies should be on 3 year contracts dependent on where they were drafted, IMO.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-30-2013, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noa

It would be great to make changes now, but yes, I'd have to redo my contract offerings, which I already finalized.
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Ya, i've already finalized mine. But it's not big deal. Can be redone!

rageeumr · 05-30-2013, 04:07 PM

I think I know what I want to do, but I haven't signed the contracts yet.

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sfchief Drinking the Kool Aid Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Glen park SF Casino cash: $8491005	At first not many, but 2 or 3yrs down the road I think it will b a lot more I'm not trying to criticize this is a fabulous game. I'm just thinking about strategy and what this may look like after several seasons.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-730901	Absolutely, I recognize that - but I still wish there was a way to get someone below market for more than a year. My example is Amari Spievey. Spievey is a serious concussion case right now and someone you could never take much of a risk on. However, if the Lions went to him and offered him a discounted 3 year deal, he'd take it in a heartbeat. I'd love to do the same; I think Spievey is a damn talented football player and I'd like to give him a 3 year deal so I can hold him through this 2012 season (lost to a concussion) and then get him for another couple of years at a reasonable rate. If I want to do that, I'll essentially have to pay him for 3 years at a productive veteran rate when A) I know I'll only get 2 out of him and B) I have no idea how he'll recover. It's just really difficult to take fliers on breakout candidates and hope to get them on a discount contract for a couple of years. A smart manager should be rewarded for being able to go locate those guys and should get a little more of a bump for it than a single undervalued year. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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