Chiefs Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? - Page 58

**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

**dirk digler** · 12-11-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This is the level we've stooped to.

I hate it more than you do

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Originally Posted by milkman

He did such a fantastic job with QBs with more natural physical ability against lesser competition at Florida.

All I know is he made a shitty QB in Cassel look half way decent.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-11-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I don't think he knows how to coach a QB.

I think he knows how to design an offense based around his QB's strengths and avoiding their weakness.

Something Haley and Muir dont have a ****ing clue about.

And what are our strengths? Our receivers, who are useless if we dont' have a QB who can deliver a ball to them.

Our QB is horrible.
We can't throw deep.
We can throw a limited amount of short stuff because the ball doesn't get there fast enough.
Our QB throws inaccurately
We don't have any RBs that can break big runs
Our pass protection is adequate, but not great

What is this magical offense Weis would design around Palko?

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-11-2011, 09:40 PM

All I know is he made a shitty QB in Cassel look half way decent.[/QUOTE]

No jamaal charles did.

**dirk digler** · 12-11-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I think he knows how to design an offense based around his QB's strengths and avoiding their weakness.

Something Haley and Muir dont have a ****ing clue about.

Double this

jd1020 · 12-11-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And what are our strengths? Our receivers, who are useless if we dont' have a QB who can deliver a ball to them.

Our QB is horrible.
We can't throw deep.
We can throw a limited amount of short stuff because the ball doesn't get there fast enough.
Our QB throws inaccurately
We don't have any RBs that can break big runs
Our pass protection is adequate, but not great

What is this magical offense Weis would design around Palko?

McCluster can break big runs. The problem is, he isn't going to break big runs going through the middle of the DLine on a draw.

We don't start a QB who can throw deep. How often do we utilize screen plays?

chiefzilla1501 · 12-11-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

McCluster can break big runs. The problem is, he isn't going to break big runs going through the middle of the DLine on a draw.

We don't start a QB who can throw deep. How often do we utilize screen plays?

How the **** are you going to run a screen play against a team that is guarding everything 20 yards and in?

jd1020 · 12-11-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

How the **** are you going to run a screen play against a team that is guarding everything 20 yards and in?

The same way every other team runs a screen play? With blockers.

Our screen plays are quick passes to the outside with 2 receivers with 1 blocking vs 2 defenders.

milkman · 12-11-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Pfft. Now we're questioning whether Weis knows how to coach a QB?

No.

I'm questioning his ability to perform miracles.

A QB has to have the mental tools to be consistently successful.

I'll give the freshman a pass, but I don't believe that either Brantley or Cassel have the necessary mental tools.

Cassel was able to do some things last year , and to a lesser extent, the second half of '09 because of Charles.

But when defenses didn't have to commit all thier resourses to stopping Charles, Cassel was shit, and nothing Weis did changed that.

I have every confidence in Weis' ability to develop a legitimate QB.

milkman · 12-11-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I hate it more than you do

All I know is he made a shitty QB in Cassel look half way decent.

No he didn't.

Charles did.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-11-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

The same way every other team runs a screen play? With blockers.

The only reason you run a screen is to take advantage of an over-aggressive defense. No defense is going to send the house on Palko. No defense is going to overpursue the run against a team that has average RBs playing #1 ball carrier.

jd1020 · 12-11-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The only reason you run a screen is to take advantage of an over-aggressive defense. No defense is going to send the house on Palko. No defense is going to overpursue the run against a team that has average RBs playing #1 ball carrier.

So teams aren't going to play for the pass and they aren't going to play for the run. What are they doing then? Playing cards?

FloridaMan88 · 12-11-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Why would I want to waste my time trying to explain anything to you?

Again a NON-ANSWER from the dickless one.

Typical and to be expected.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-11-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

So teams aren't going to play for the pass and they aren't going to play for the run. What are they doing then? Playing cards?

What? I'm saying there is zero reason for a defense to play aggressive. You don't overpursue the run because you don't respect it. You don't blitz Palko like crazy because you don't have to. You just sit back and contain within 20 yards.

Screen passes only work against aggressive defenses. They'll get blown up 9 times out of 10 against a contain defense.

**dirk digler** · 12-11-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No he didn't.

Charles did.

repost

jd1020 · 12-11-2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What? I'm saying there is zero reason for a defense to play aggressive. You don't overpursue the run because you don't respect it. You don't blitz Palko like crazy because you don't have to. You just sit back and contain within 20 yards.

Screen passes only work against aggressive defenses. They'll get blown up 9 times out of 10 against a contain defense.

Teams aren't playing a prevent defense for 4 quarters. Hate to break it to you.

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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1605912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1286009	All I know is he made a shitty QB in Cassel look half way decent.[/QUOTE] No jamaal charles did.
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