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Old 09-04-2007, 04:33 PM  
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Oh, Herm...you really put your foot in it this time...
Well, this should be fun!

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Now, our offense will have to gel. Will it be a slow-starting? I don’t know. We haven’t played yet. I’ll answer that after we play. When we score seven points I’ll say we’re slow starting. If we score 21 points, I’ll say, ‘whoa, we scored a lot of points.’ 21 points is a lot, 30 points isn’t a football game. That’s Arena Football. We’re talking about real football.”
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:35 PM   #76
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I'm not saying you don't need a good d to help you win, but people who think that defense wins championships are just clueless to the reality of the NFL.
I think those stats make it perfectly clear that defense DOES win championships.

Not one of those teams NEEDED a Top 8 offense. Hell, they didn't need a Top 15 offense.

They needed to score 16 points per game.

16 points. That's it.

Just because some of those teams had circus offenses, doesn't mean they needed the output. Sure, it was fun to watch, but in the end, they could have won with a average offense.

Almost to a team, defense wins Championships.

In the history of the Super Bowl, only TWO teams have ever made the game (not WON the game, just MADE the game) by allowing over 20 ppg.

The 1983 Oakland Raiders
The 2006 Indianapolis Colts.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:39 PM   #77
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I think those stats make it perfectly clear that defense DOES win championships.

Not one of those teams NEEDED a Top 8 offense. Hell, they didn't need a Top 15 offense.

They needed to score 16 points per game.

16 points. That's it.

Just because some of those teams had circus offenses, doesn't mean they needed the output. Sure, it was fun to watch, but in the end, they could have won with a average offense.

Almost to a team, defense wins Championships.

In the history of the Super Bowl, only TWO teams have ever made the game (not WON the game, just MADE the game) by allowing over 20 ppg.

The 1983 Oakland Raiders
The 2006 Indianapolis Colts.


11 of the last 18 teams to win a Super Bowl had an offense that ranked 3rd or higher in points.


6 of the last 18 teams to lead the NFL in points won the Bowl.

I'd like to know how many of those teams made it to the Super Bowl by averaging less than the league average for PPG....

Anyone, anyone....Buehler???

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If your 16ppg thesis is correct, then why did every team who won...save 1 average well over 20, with a low of just less than 19 (The Bucs).
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:41 PM   #78
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:43 PM   #79
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Herm Edwards outdoes himself...

Just wondering...who are the top 5 teams in the NFL -- the favorites to win the SB? Perhaps NE, SD, Indy, Cinci, and NO? And what are the top 5 offenses in the league? Hmmmm....
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:44 PM   #80
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Heh,that should help the rest of those remaining tickets sell out.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:45 PM   #81
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I dislike Herm more every day. Who decided he was head coaching material?
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:49 PM   #82
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I'm right there with you. It's entertaining watching people fly off the handle at almost anything controversial Herm says.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:51 PM   #83
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I'm right there with you. It's entertaining watching people fly off the handle at almost anything controversial Herm says.
And your the dumbass who started this thread.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:51 PM   #84
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I dislike Herm more every day. Who decided he was head coaching material?
I'm so glad I decided to give up my tickets 2 seasons ago before the announcement Herm was coming here because when he was hired it made it all the more easier to say goodbye.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:51 PM   #85
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I have no problem with a defensive-minded coach.

I do have a problem with a coach who believes that one side of the ball is overwhelmingly more important than the other.

That was Vermeil's problem, and it's Herm's too. Just because Herm happens to align with a popular axiom (D wins) doesn't make it any less of a ridiculous philosophy.

For those who really buy into this Kool-Aid, I have a question?
How did Buddy Ryan's teams do?, what about Dom Capers? Dick LeBeau?

Obviously, many defensive-minded coaches have done really, really well, but assuming that they did well because they focused only on defense is a ridiculous jump.
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And your the dumbass who started this thread.
Why does that make me a dumbass?
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11 of the last 18 teams to win a Super Bowl had an offense that ranked 3rd or higher in points.


6 of the last 18 teams to lead the NFL in points won the Bowl.

I'd like to know how many of those teams made it to the Super Bowl by averaging less than the league average for PPG....

Anyone, anyone....Buehler???

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I don't have the time to look up the league average for 41 seasons.

But your missing the point. I don't CARE if they scored 100 per game.

The defense all but guaranteed they would never need more than 16.

So even teams without the so called circus offense can, and do win Super Bowls.

5 of the last 10, excluding the Colts.

Steelers (avg 24ppg)

Pats x2 (averaged 22.5 over 2 SB)

Bucs (avg 22)

Ravens (avg 21)
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Edwards should never tampered with this offense.
Why wouldn't you want to have both?
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I do have a problem with a coach who believes that one side of the ball is overwhelmingly more important than the other.

That was Vermeil's problem, and it's Herm's too.
I couldn't disagree more.

In two years, Herm has spent eight of 14 picks on the offense.
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I'm right there with you. It's entertaining watching people fly off the handle at almost anything controversial Herm says.
It's not controversial. It's universally derided.
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