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**Tribal Warfare** · 06-05-2014, 10:28 PM

How Alex Smith’s next contract could be affected by Colin Kaepernick’s $126 million deal

San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick went out of his way Wednesday to thank current Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith, the man whose job he usurped two years ago.

“I don’t think I would be at this point so quickly if he hadn’t been such a great mentor to me and helped me along with things,” Kaepernick, 26, said after news broke about his six-year, $126 million contract extension.

But it’s also easy to think Kaepernick may have returned the favor by setting the market for Smith, who is seeking a new deal of his own.

“If I represented Alex Smith,” said former agent Joel Corry, “I’d be telling the Chiefs that my numbers on where the quarterback market is and will be going is correct.”

Kaepernick’s extension is actually worth just $13 million guaranteed but includes roster bonuses that can push that number up. There are also de-escalators, according to media reports, and the contract is constructed in such a way that the 49ers could get out of the deal after a few years with minimal consequence.

Corry said the Chiefs might push for a similar structure, citing Kaepernick as a reference, though he suspects Smith’s agent, Tom Condon, would never go for it.

“If you ask me to take my agent hat off, I don’t think this deal is going to have any real impact on Alex Smith’s negotiation,” Corry said. “It’s two different (situations). The problem is, the Chiefs still aren’t going to want to want to pay him in that Matthew Stafford, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler range. He’s got the same problem Andy Dalton has.”

Like Dalton, Cincinnati’s quarterback, Smith is generally regarded as a second-tier quarterback in the same class as Stafford, Romo and Cutler, who are all making around $18 million per season.

That could prove to be a bit too rich for the Chiefs’ and Bengals’ liking, if that is indeed what Smith and Dalton — who will be free agents after the season — are asking for. Both teams also invested fifth-round draft picks in talented, developmental quarterbacks (Aaron Murray and A.J. McCarron) this year.

“Anything over $15 million a year on the average and $35 million in guarantees, the Chiefs should not want to do,” Corry said. “The problem is there’s nobody (making that) because the middle class (of quarterbacks) is gone. Matt Sanchez got cut. Matt Schaub got cut. You really have no middle class.”

This is one of the reasons the 49ers likely felt compelled to lock up Kaepernick, provided he can play well enough to keep the 49ers from extricating themselves from the deal.

“They don’t have a viable option,” Corry said. “Once they traded (Smith) away, they were all in on Kaepernick. They were like, ‘You’re the guy, it’s your ball and run with it.’ ”

Corry also noted that the 49ers could have waited a year to sign Kaepernick, but that might have cost them.

“They ran the risk of him going out and being Joe Flacco, where they win a Super Bowl and then he’s asking to be the highest-paid player in the league,” Corry said. “That’s just kind of the game you have to play with quarterbacks. If you have one that’s young and has a lot of potential, even if he hasn’t reached it, you’re going to have to overpay him.”

The Chiefs, on the other hand, may be willing to take their chances with Smith. Despite an 11-5 record last season, a tougher schedule and a younger supporting cast may conspire to make it difficult for Smith to duplicate his 2013 numbers, even with a respected offensive mind like Andy Reid calling the plays.

“I would tell him: ‘You want that money? Go out and justify it through your play this year,’ ” Corry said. “I’d gamble with him on that one. If he goes out and lights it up, that’s a nice problem to have because then you could always franchise him.”

Both the Chiefs and Smith have said there have been some discussions about a new contract. But Smith, who will make $7.5 million this season, has said he isn’t thinking about an extension and isn’t worried if he doesn’t get one before training camp starts.

“Smith kind of has a little bit of leverage too because KC gave up two second-round picks for him and you really don’t want to see someone walk after giving up two second-round picks,” Corry said. “But I don’t think Kansas City is going to be persuaded to make a substantial bump in their offer based on Kaepernick’s deal.”

**SAUTO** · 06-07-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

So he was not paid $525,000 to hold the clipboard?? Yes it was not his choice to sit- but he was still paid for it which further changes his numbers in his favor. Fact is he added nothing to that game but was still paid for it, much like a lot of the chiefs players last year. That is part of it. Alex has made what 57 million so far-so asking him to prove he can do better than not throwing a TD in 6 of the 15 games he started (40%) ineffective rate including one game on the bench and being ineffective in the last half of a horrible playoff loss-is not asking too much while he will still be cashing a fat 8 million check.

Jesus Christ What a stupid ****ing post.
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**Mav** · 06-07-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

I cant WAIT for the defense to lose the same exact way this season and Kendrick Lewis is long gone to be able to use the "Kendrick Lewis Excuse" as to why the Chiefs give up touchdowns in 25 seconds.

very soon the Kendrick Lewis excuse will be "Bob Sutton's fault"

So, Lewis is a good safety?

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-07-2014, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

I cant WAIT for the defense to lose the same exact way this season and Kendrick Lewis is long gone to be able to use the "Kendrick Lewis Excuse" as to why the Chiefs give up touchdowns in 25 seconds.

very soon the Kendrick Lewis excuse will be "Bob Sutton's fault"

Why the **** would you wanna re-live that shit?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-07-2014, 06:04 PM

Kendrick Lewis is the easy scapegoat for people unwilling to admit that the entire defense - along with the offense - played like shit for the last 26 or so minutes of that game.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-08-2014, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Kendrick Lewis is the easy scapegoat for people unwilling to admit that the entire defense - along with the offense - played like shit for the last 26 or so minutes of that game.

He's a scapegoat because he ****ing sucks.

**Mav** · 06-08-2014, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Kendrick Lewis is the easy scapegoat for people unwilling to admit that the entire defense - along with the offense - played like shit for the last 26 or so minutes of that game.

Or because when he is the single high safety its HIS JOB NOT TO GET BEAT DEEP.

And he constantly got beat deep, OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

there was some bad luck, like the fumble that happened to bounce to him, but yeah, the entire team did suck ass, and injuries didn't help.

but come on. Kendrick lewis played like absolute dog shit. He made T/Y Hilton look like Desean Jackson in that game.

The next week TY Hilton was pretty well locked down.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-08-2014, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Or because when he is the single high safety its HIS JOB NOT TO GET BEAT DEEP.

And he constantly got beat deep, OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

there was some bad luck, like the fumble that happened to bounce to him, but yeah, the entire team did suck ass, and injuries didn't help.

but come on. Kendrick lewis played like absolute dog shit. He made T/Y Hilton look like Desean Jackson in that game.

The next week TY Hilton was pretty well locked down.

Hilton was locked down until Flowers went down.

Wallcrawler · 06-08-2014, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

I cant WAIT for the defense to lose the same exact way this season and Kendrick Lewis is long gone to be able to use the "Kendrick Lewis Excuse" as to why the Chiefs give up touchdowns in 25 seconds.

very soon the Kendrick Lewis excuse will be "Bob Sutton's fault"

You deny that Bob Sutton is ass when it comes to coordinating a defense?

Yeah, lets just play man coverage all game, never rotate any players out to retain stamina for the fourth quarter, and NEVER adjust to what the offense is doing to exploit our gameplan that isn't disguised at all.

Back to Madden with you, dipshit.

mcaj22 · 06-08-2014, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BCD

He's a scapegoat because he ****ing sucks.

I don't want to relive that shit but I just don't buy the concept of ONE player being the fault of an entire side of football at the NFL level, and with no visible offseason upgrades the team is still the same on that side of the ball mostly, so it is very possible the defense could still have the same issues.

milkman · 06-08-2014, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

I don't want to relive that shit but I just don't buy the concept of ONE player being the fault of an entire side of football at the NFL level, and with no visible offseason upgrades the team is still the same on that side of the ball mostly, so it is very possible the defense could still have the same issues.

The problem is that we have 5 players on this defense that are really talented, 2 of whom bring some versatility.

The rest of the defense lacks talent, versatility, and depth.

Bob Sutton and Kendrick Lewis are easy scapegoats.

Sutton deserves every critisim he gets for failing to use what little depth we have to keep players fresh, but he was extremely limited by lack of versatle players and depth to make any adjustments.

Kendrick Lewis was a gaping hole, but far from the only hole.

I am not sure that Bob Sutton is good or bad, and won't be ready to make any call on that until some of those holes, and some of that sorry lack of versatle talent is replaced.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-08-2014, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

I don't want to relive that shit but I just don't buy the concept of ONE player being the fault of an entire side of football at the NFL level, and with no visible offseason upgrades the team is still the same on that side of the ball mostly, so it is very possible the defense could still have the same issues.

He was pretty bad. On numerous occasions. That was obvious.

Flowers owned Hilton.

**Mav** · 06-08-2014, 09:55 AM

The puzzling part for me, is their lack of upgrading the weapons on the offense. It seems as every part of it got worse.

I know, I know, Alex excuses.

I get it.

The 49ers added stevie Johnson, carlos hyde, Brandon Lloyd.

the broncos signed Emmanuel sanders, and traded up to get cody latimer.

shrugs.

**bevischief** · 06-08-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Kendrick Lewis is the easy scapegoat for people unwilling to admit that the entire defense - along with the offense - played like shit for the last 26 or so minutes of that game.

Yep, players and couching.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-08-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bevischief

Yep, players and couching.

Textbook team loss, but let's blame it on one guy.

Chief Roundup · 06-08-2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bevischief

Yep, players and couching.

Now it all comes clear. The real players were sitting on the couch eating nachos.

Yes Kendrick sucked. But more than anything Reid and Sutton should have been able to do something besides just let everything run the way it was. They should have been able to get the teams composure back.

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Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-607187	Paylor:How Alex Smith’s next contract could be affected by Colin Kaepernick’s How Alex Smith’s next contract could be affected by Colin Kaepernick’s $126 million deal San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick went out of his way Wednesday to thank current Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith, the man whose job he usurped two years ago. “I don’t think I would be at this point so quickly if he hadn’t been such a great mentor to me and helped me along with things,” Kaepernick, 26, said after news broke about his six-year, $126 million contract extension. But it’s also easy to think Kaepernick may have returned the favor by setting the market for Smith, who is seeking a new deal of his own. “If I represented Alex Smith,” said former agent Joel Corry, “I’d be telling the Chiefs that my numbers on where the quarterback market is and will be going is correct.” Kaepernick’s extension is actually worth just $13 million guaranteed but includes roster bonuses that can push that number up. There are also de-escalators, according to media reports, and the contract is constructed in such a way that the 49ers could get out of the deal after a few years with minimal consequence. Corry said the Chiefs might push for a similar structure, citing Kaepernick as a reference, though he suspects Smith’s agent, Tom Condon, would never go for it. “If you ask me to take my agent hat off, I don’t think this deal is going to have any real impact on Alex Smith’s negotiation,” Corry said. “It’s two different (situations). The problem is, the Chiefs still aren’t going to want to want to pay him in that Matthew Stafford, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler range. He’s got the same problem Andy Dalton has.” Like Dalton, Cincinnati’s quarterback, Smith is generally regarded as a second-tier quarterback in the same class as Stafford, Romo and Cutler, who are all making around $18 million per season. That could prove to be a bit too rich for the Chiefs’ and Bengals’ liking, if that is indeed what Smith and Dalton — who will be free agents after the season — are asking for. Both teams also invested fifth-round draft picks in talented, developmental quarterbacks (Aaron Murray and A.J. McCarron) this year. “Anything over $15 million a year on the average and $35 million in guarantees, the Chiefs should not want to do,” Corry said. “The problem is there’s nobody (making that) because the middle class (of quarterbacks) is gone. Matt Sanchez got cut. Matt Schaub got cut. You really have no middle class.” This is one of the reasons the 49ers likely felt compelled to lock up Kaepernick, provided he can play well enough to keep the 49ers from extricating themselves from the deal. “They don’t have a viable option,” Corry said. “Once they traded (Smith) away, they were all in on Kaepernick. They were like, ‘You’re the guy, it’s your ball and run with it.’ ” Corry also noted that the 49ers could have waited a year to sign Kaepernick, but that might have cost them. “They ran the risk of him going out and being Joe Flacco, where they win a Super Bowl and then he’s asking to be the highest-paid player in the league,” Corry said. “That’s just kind of the game you have to play with quarterbacks. If you have one that’s young and has a lot of potential, even if he hasn’t reached it, you’re going to have to overpay him.” The Chiefs, on the other hand, may be willing to take their chances with Smith. Despite an 11-5 record last season, a tougher schedule and a younger supporting cast may conspire to make it difficult for Smith to duplicate his 2013 numbers, even with a respected offensive mind like Andy Reid calling the plays. “I would tell him: ‘You want that money? Go out and justify it through your play this year,’ ” Corry said. “I’d gamble with him on that one. If he goes out and lights it up, that’s a nice problem to have because then you could always franchise him.” Both the Chiefs and Smith have said there have been some discussions about a new contract. But Smith, who will make $7.5 million this season, has said he isn’t thinking about an extension and isn’t worried if he doesn’t get one before training camp starts. “Smith kind of has a little bit of leverage too because KC gave up two second-round picks for him and you really don’t want to see someone walk after giving up two second-round picks,” Corry said. “But I don’t think Kansas City is going to be persuaded to make a substantial bump in their offer based on Kaepernick’s deal.”
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